1. Tony S28/S40
2. Sandra S7/S20
3. Parvati S16
4. Boston Rob S22
5. Tyson S27
5. Tyson S27
6 Richard Hatch S1
7. Kim Spradlin S24
8. Tom Westman S10
7. Kim Spradlin S24
8. Tom Westman S10
9. Yul S13
10. Brian Heidik S5
11. Jeremy S31
12. Sarah S34
13. Todd Herzog S15
14. Earl S14
15. Chris Daugherty S9
14. Earl S14
15. Chris Daugherty S9
16. Rachel S47
17. Ethan Zohn S3
17. Ethan Zohn S3
18. Cochran S26
19. Nick S37
20. Wendell S36
19. Nick S37
20. Wendell S36
21. JT S18
22. Dee S45
23. Natalie S29
22. Dee S45
23. Natalie S29
24. Adam S33
25. Denise S25
26. Ben S35
27. Sophie S23
27. Sophie S23
28. Erika S41
29. Michelle S29
30. Tommy S39
31. Mike S30
32. Tina Wesson S2
33. Aras S12
34. Jenna Morasca S6
35. Amber S8
36. Danni S11
36. Danni S11
37. Yam Yam S44
38. Maryanne S42
39. Kenzie S46
40. Bob Crowley S17
40. Bob Crowley S17
41. Fabio S21
42. Vecepia S4
43. Chris S38
43. Chris S38
44. Natalie White S19
45. Gabler S43
Let's start at the bottom; the height (depth?) of which, for my dollar, was Natalie White - which is why I have her last. Even if you're in the "no such thing as a bitter jury" camp, she just happened to be the one sitting next to a Hantz at the end. Unlike, Natalie, I think I would have voted for Chris; he maximized his return to the game following a very...very long stay away from it. But that's just a function of the competitors he was sitting next to - as a Survivor winner, his is a slender resume. Gabler...look, we're in an era with shorter seasons, tons of trinkets - Gabler was in a season with a dominant player who got bounced and wound up the compromise selection in a middling lot.
I think of Bob and Fabio (and to a lesser extent, Aras) and Maryanne (maybe Yam Yam too, and in this era of Survivor, the short game feels like less of a hill to climb) as similar, largely good natured, played a basically frictionless game - the other competitors liked them and likeability is their biggest (only?) strength. Jenna and Amber (and Tina and Denise) rode coattails but all had a level of value to their games not found with those bottom five winners. Michelle's somewhere in that group; her primary benefit was she wasn't seen as making the moves that took out the swing votes in the jury. Ben was outflanked down the stretch, but used multiple idols and an unprecedented end game twist (a coup d'eBen?) to get the win. It's only his being a good player throughout the game that keeps him from a lower slot.
Twinnies Natalie's game was uneven, but she fought from underneath and made some big strategic decisions in the endgame. A good comp is Mike from the following year, he was clearly better, just physically dominating the endgame maybe in an unprecedented way, but also largely responsible for being positioned underneath in the first place, and the quality of his opposition, like Natalie's, was suspect. JT would be in the top 10 if not for a subsequent appearance on the show - giving Russell the idol was such a terrible move that this is as high as he could reasonably be ranked. Ethan and Earl were both nice guys in the vein of Fabio/Bob, but added a second level of leadership. Adam made a lot of moves; not all of them were effective, but his unanimous jury vote is testament to the ability to create a jury perception of punches that landed when maybe he was just being busy. Nick made fewer moves, but was personable, strategic enough, and positioned himself well for the end game. Tommy won without the benefit of any twists and had a good handle on the general flow of the game. Erika was a good player; had a good handle on the strategic flow of the game, there was a dominant player, Ricard, he clearly played the best game in S41. Late period Survivor (short season, tons, just tons of twists) becomes super hard to envelop into this type of ranking; Dee was good, part of the decision making flow of the game, won competitions, didn't back her way into anything nor take over the game.
Heidik/Todd/Daugherty all fill that sneaky/strategic role that bumps them up I could see an argument that Earl/Ethan should be ranked ahead of Daugherty. Cochran's game was less slippery, strategic in his second stint and more guy everyone really liked. He was Ethan Zohn. Jeremy really falls into that phylum as well; he played a good all around game, never really lost control although wasn't as aware of everyone around him as others, but really relied on how much more people liked him, liked the moral force of him, than any particular strategic decision. Sarah played a rat floater game, made some good strategic moves, stayed in good with people when she needed to ge in good with them, was less in control of the game and more on the right side of where the game was being controlled. And she was boring TV, that doesn't matter for these purposes, but it should be noted that she's a not particularly appealing television character. Wendell's tough to rate, he and Domenick together controlled the back half of the game like Tom Westman, but absent a twist introduced in Ben's season allowing for firemaking, he wouldn't have made the final 3.
Tony was messy; bold, impetuous, great TV and a really constant, tenacious player who benefited from the all time worst decision in show history (Woo's final 3 vote) and a jury that was better than Russell Hantz's.
Heidik/Todd/Daugherty all fill that sneaky/strategic role that bumps them up I could see an argument that Earl/Ethan should be ranked ahead of Daugherty. Cochran's game was less slippery, strategic in his second stint and more guy everyone really liked. He was Ethan Zohn. Jeremy really falls into that phylum as well; he played a good all around game, never really lost control although wasn't as aware of everyone around him as others, but really relied on how much more people liked him, liked the moral force of him, than any particular strategic decision. Sarah played a rat floater game, made some good strategic moves, stayed in good with people when she needed to ge in good with them, was less in control of the game and more on the right side of where the game was being controlled. And she was boring TV, that doesn't matter for these purposes, but it should be noted that she's a not particularly appealing television character. Wendell's tough to rate, he and Domenick together controlled the back half of the game like Tom Westman, but absent a twist introduced in Ben's season allowing for firemaking, he wouldn't have made the final 3.
Tony was messy; bold, impetuous, great TV and a really constant, tenacious player who benefited from the all time worst decision in show history (Woo's final 3 vote) and a jury that was better than Russell Hantz's.
Yul/Kim/Tom all dominated every phase of their season; were either Yul/Kim to return and get into another jury vote there's room to move up. No one ever dominated like Rob in his final attempt; I'd see an argument anywhere in the top 4 for Rob. Sandra won twice and while there was never a point really in either game that she dominated, the results alone require a top 4 finish. Her third appearance was the most fun of the the three and doesn't hurt her overall ranking. Parvati did dominate in her second appearance, despite losing to Sandra - in a pretty deep field in season 20 she was the best player. She's also the hottest Survivor winner, which probably is worth some mention. Tyson moves into that group with his dominant win; he and Rob profile very similarly. If Yul/Kim are similar, so are Rob/Tyson.
And finally, Hatch. I think it's underappreciated how "making an alliance" wasn't inherently an obvious strategy when Survivor began - the Hatch template is basically still the method which reality competition contestants across the world still use (both in order to win and to make good TV). Survivor's harder in 2013 than it was in 2000; current competitors not only have all of the past Survivors to draw from but all the other reality competition programs that utilize similar group dynamics. I'm amenable to a counter-argument that Hatch's game doesn't match, say the level of strategy of Rob's winning season.
But in the end I remain really, really impressed with Hatch's forward thinking; for the same reason I'd still rank Dr. Will ahead of Dan Gheesling as the best BBUS player - I'll say Hatch, 30 seasons later, is still the greatest Survivor ever.
So, Winners at War necessitated a rethink that might ripple for awhile.
I'm not sure exactly the weight the season should hold; Boston Rob in 2020 doesn't necessarily reflect peak Boston Rob, for example. Survivor's not a sport - but Michael Jordan's Wizards performance doesn't reflect peak Michael Jordan and we all understand how that works.
I've moved Tony to the top spot; S40 was a really, really impressive performance, to come in with nearly the target level that snuffed out Rob/Parv before the game even started and leave never having received even one vote against him - it's an all time great game and he shoots to the top. I've dropped Hatch to 6; all the "he did it first" stuff still stands, but there needs, after 40 seasons, to be a stronger accounting given to the evolution of the game. Jeremy gets bumped up, Sarah gets a sizeable bump and there's a reshuffling of some of the players further down the list.
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I always think Earl is a really underrated winner and, like Heidik, I think his legacy probably suffers from his season being pretty underwhelming. I'd certainly consider his performance in Fiji to be significantly more impressive than that of Chris (his sublime final tribal performance overshadows how fortunate he was to be there) and either of Sandra's wins (yes, winning twice is great but what does she bring to the game in terms of strategy?).
I'd probably bump Todd up a few places, too. His game in China was outstanding.
Out of interest, Jim, which non-winners would you place in the top 25 players of all-time?
Yau Man, Cirie, Amanda, Cesternino, Ozzie.
Earl's problem in being ranked higher is Yau Man, who was the dominant (right?) player of that season. Hard to get much more than a spot or two higher than he is given Yau's performance. I don't think there's a lot of room to bump Heidik/Herzog because then we get to that Yul group all all around players who fall short of being in that upper legends tier but whose games really didn't have flaws.
Sandra won twice; if she didn't come back for all stars and win I'd be with you - but to get those people in all stars to write her name down was pretty nifty. Thinking historically, the number of people to win two reality comps is super small (are there any other Americans? Brian Dowling won BBUK twice, I can't think of anyone else without looking it up).
Id put todd im top 4 and watch the secret clips and youll see why everyone from her season respected her as the smartest player(sophie)
A couple thoughts:
1) The fact that it took Boston Rob four tries to win should count against his ranking. I'd put Yul in the top 4 in his place.
2) Should Tina get a higher place given her performance in S27?
3) Richard Hatch is the Honus Wagner of Survivor- the greatest, but it was a different game (in part because he created the formula that others have tweaked). I won't disagree with the #1 spot.
4) Brian Heidik is actually underrated. Not only was he never in serious trouble, he pulled off a stunt (having three different 'final two' alliances, yet still getting the votes of the two people he turned on) that I don't think has been duplicated. I couldn't believe the jury didn't tear him apart and went after Clay instead.
1. I'd lean the other way on how to weigh Rob's body of work given his performance in All Stars.
2. I don't think so - other than winning that last Redemption Island I'm not sure Tina's 27 performance was a good one.
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