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The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players of All Time, 2012 Ed. 111-120

Saturday, November 19, 2011

The previous post is here.

111.   Billy Hamilton 1888-1901 OF Phillies/Beaneaters
        66.2
        OPS+141
        .319/.437/.463
        MVPQ=1894
        PA=7600      

112. Carlton Fisk C Red Sox/White Sox 1969-93
        65.8
        OPS+117
        .261/.339/.473
        MVPQ=none
        PA=9850

113. Roy Halladay RHP 1998- Blue Jays 
        65.75
        ERA+138
        193-121
        MVPQ=none
        IP=2500

114. Joe Cronin SS 1926-45 Red Sox/Senators
        65.55
        OPS+119
        .281/.365/.467
         Elite=1930
       PA=8800

115. Larry Walker 1989-05 RF Rockies/Expos
        65.4
        OPS+140
        .293/.384/.533
        MVPQ=none
         PA=8000
     
116. Yogi Berra C Yankees 1946-65
        65.3
        OPS+125
        .286/.343/.514
        MVPQ=none
        PA=8350

117. Mark McGwire 1B Athletics/Cardinals 1986-01
        64.9
        OPS+162
        .270/.399/.618
        MVPQ=1998
        PA=7650


118. Tim Keefe 1880-93 RHP Giants
        64.85
        ERA+127
        185-124
        Inner Circle=1883
        IP=5050
     
119. Bob Caruthers 1884-93 RHP/RF
        64.55
        ERA+123
        OPS+133
        102-81
        .269/.383/.433
         MVPQ=1888
         Elite=1889
         Inner Circle=1886, 1887
         IP=2800
         PA=2900
     
120. Juan Marichal RHP Giants 1960-75
        64.45
        ERA+123
        216-154
        MVPQ=1963
        Elite=1965, 1966
        IP=3500
     
The current all time subjective pitching staff will get shaken up following this section.  Let's start with Hamilton and his all time adjusted OPB of nearly .440; he's the new starting CF.

Fisk and Berra are both in this section; Piazza and Dickey are the current catchers on the roster.  Berra's bat puts him over Fisk and into contention, but I'll stick with Piazza and Dickey; they both had better bats, accumulated value in fewer plate appearances, and better top end seasons.

Cronin and Boudreau are really, really comparable - Boudreau's career was accumulated in significantly fewer plate appearances, so that's not going to change either.

Walker's bat compares favorably to Medwick, currently the backup RF - but Ducky's top end keeps the job.

McGwire and Greenberg are essentially the same player; McGwire's total value gets him the nod.

Now to the pitchers.  Let's rank this group in this order: Halladay, Marichal, Caruthers, Keefe.  Doc doesn't have the top end of any of the other guys, but is the best per inning pitched, Caruthers is the best two way player ever not named George Herman, Marichal and Keefe both hit you with big top ends.  Halladay/Marichal are going to slide into the all time rotation after Newhouser.  If Halladay's 2012 matches his 2011, he'd be just outside the Top 75. Keefe's not going to make it; Caruthers is going to be the 25th man on this team for as long as I can keep him there.

C Piazza
    Dickey
1B McGwire
     Greenberg
2B Robinson
     Gordon
SS Banks
      Boudreau
3B Allen
LF Jackson
      Flick
CF Hamilton
      Smith
RF Heilmann
      Medwick

Walsh
    Rivera
    Newhouser (LHP)
    Halladay
    Marichal
    Ford
    Rusie
    Vance
   
Utility: Caruthers

We still need a backup third baseman, maybe we'll get one before we are halfway through the list.  And I'm down to 8 pitchers, I'm likely to carry one more.  That would be 26 as opposed to 25, we'll see how that turns out.  









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