Entertainmentmania 27 Preview/The 20 Best Entertainments in Entertainmentmania History
Friday, April 1, 2011
As happens quarterly, I write a preview of the big WWE PPVs for the benefit of my longtime on again/off again writing partner Kirk Hiner; were you inclined, you could get to last year's preview piece here. In one form or another, I've been doing these previews for Kirk since somewhere between Wrestlemanias 12 and 13; meaning I've now been his primary contact to the world of wrestling almost as long as he was an active fan. At some point, one assumes, I will stop writing these previews. Time marches on. Sunrise. Sunset. Sunrise. Sunset.
But this is not that point. Today is not that day! Nosir!
Because this Sunday is the granddaddy of them all, the Count of Monte Fisto; like the day you lost your virginity and the last episode of Seinfeld all rolled into one - it's Wrestlemania by-God 27, from the fightin' city of Atlanta, GA.
For those of you who are not Kirk Hiner, you can stay if you care - but it's a little voyeuristic, like peepin' in on me when I do my late night sexy dance. Maybe one day I'll put that it the blog too. Late night sexy dance - the granddaddy of all sexy dances!
With that.
Saturday Night is the Hall of Fame induction...but not on TV. It will air on USA Monday at 8 - also beginning Monday after RAW is the return of the reality show Tough Enough, which USA has gotten solidly behind in an attempt to hop into the reality show business. Austin to host, with involvement from Trish and Booker, all 3 of whom are involved in Sunday's show.
Inducted this year - HBK, Road Warriors, Sunny (and that will be your lineup on the USA broadcast) Hacksaw, Abdullah the Butcher, Bullet Bob Armstrong, and Drew Carey. I know what you're thinking - why do all these wrestlers deserve to get in with Drew Carey?
The announcement of Carey's election got some mainstream talk, which is of course the whole point, and an online media trade magazine wrote some piece to the effect of "Drew Carey Named to Wrestling Hall of Fame" - to which WWE gently replied that this was incorrect - it isn't a wrestling hall of fame - WWE doesn't employ wrestlers. It's an entertainment Hall of Fame filled with superstars and divas (who have never won titles, or belts - only championships). This week, Edge and Christian worked their first RAW match together in a half dozen years - Cole referred to them as the greatest tag team in entertainment history. The word wrestling (and, I'd argue, the act of wrestling) has never been more unwelcome in any wrestling company in history, than right now in WWE - in fact; one would have to look a long way to find more hostility from a corporation to its central product than WWE shows toward wrestling.
Unclear who the announce will be Sunday - Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler are in a match, making it seemingly hard for them to do the broadcast - JR (and for that matter, Joey Styles) are still under contract, but the company has been loathe to use him in that manner, despite how much sense it makes. Josh Mathews and Booker T is the current B crew, and one assumes they'll play some role.
Keri Hilson will be singing America the Beautiful.
9 matches on the card.
1. WWE Title: The Miz v. John Cena
-When last we left, The Miz beat Randy Orton at the Rumble to keep the strap he's held since just after Survivor Series; they started building for Miz/Cena at the Rumble - and in February it became not just the centerpiece of Mania, but the flashpoint for a real ratings surge with the return of the Rock.
So - sometime in the last couple of years, Cena gave at least one interview, perhaps more, but there's one that I specifically recall, where he took some shots at the Rock for distancing himself from WWE in a way that Cena theoretically would not do if he could have gotten his movie career to take off. Cena, as was pretty evident in his public appearances after Benoit, never says anything that isn't fed to him by the company, so best wisdom at the time was he was a vehicle for Vince, as Rock clearly had been looking to stake a separate "Dwayne Johnson" like persona for obvious reasons.
Rock returned to RAW - and cut a promo on Cena, essentially saying that Cena sucks.
Which he does.
This is now minority opinion - at the beginning of Cena's push (which has been financially successful; he's been their top guy for years in terms of business) his best comparable was the Ultimate Warrior - a not uncharismatic guy who was pushed despite not really being much of a worker.
Opinion has moved pretty far away from this, to the point where he's viewed as more than competent - I'm pretty opposed to this sentiment, strongly viewing wrestling analysts as grading modern WWE on a ridiculously easy curve, with Cena as the primary beneficiary of the grade inflation. Today's A student was yesterday's B- student (that's both Cena metaphor and actual reference to academia).
Meaning, even though my feelings about the Rock returning were lukewarm (the Rock's a big star, and in the WWE Universe, the very biggest star, but this won't lead to a good match, and that's all I care about) I was solidly on board with his Cena criticism.
And that became the program - Cena and Rock cutting promos on each other with the Miz occasionally popping in to say "hey, remember me - I'm the heel champ". He's as third wheel as a world champ could be in this program, but I'm unsure how it could be otherwise - the money match is Rock/Cena, but the match they've got is Miz/Cena.
On the go home RAW - Rock hit Miz with the People's Elbow - but then took Cena's finisher.
It's unclear if we're going to get a Rock/Cena match, I think they got into the build hoping they could work Rock into a match as opposed to knowing he would do one down the road. Given the nature of the build, it seems like one has to come somewhere between the PPV after Mania and WM 28, but all of that probably has more to do with Rock's agency and whatever opportunities present themselves than with the needs of WWE creative.
For this match - my guess is it's okay, Miz has been in a couple of good matches this year; you wouldn't call him a good worker yet - but he does some good things; enough to say he's better than I thought he'd ever get and I don't dislike watching him. Cena's a B-. It's unlikely to be a match you'd ever need to see a second time, but it won't be terrible either. The ceiling isn't high, but the floor isn't that low.
I'd say Cena goes over - the show concluding with the Rock getting over on Miz, on Miz's walkaround guy Alex Riley - and I'll guess after a feint that he and Cena have made up - with a Rock Bottom on Cena too.
(2 1/4 stars, the finish, after a long dead spot and a Rock promo, killed what was only the most modest of mediocre matches. If anything, this is a quarter/half star generous. The choir was ridiculous. Miz keeps on Rock interference.)
2. No DQ: Undertaker v. HHH
-An annual angle is the streak, it's reached a point now where it's as big as any part of the Wrestlemania brand. The last two years it was Undertaker/Michaels, the first of which is largely considered the best match in Mania history (again, grade inflation) and the second one retired Shawn.
So - this year it's Hunter, there's nothing on the line for Helmsley, the build has used a lot of "we're the only real stars left in this place, and only one of us leaves the ring alive" bullshit, but they haven't actually put anything up.
Neither guy has worked much in the past year, Undertaker apparently is broken down, and Hunter has begun the transition into Vince's chair. They've got a No DQ stip so this will be the garbage match, and that should be enough to make it good - but given their position in the company, probably overly long and only dramatic if you have an investment in the characters. I do not have this investment. My expectation is it will be a good enough match that I'll like less than will others.
They added Shawn to the mix in the go home angle - where he was a little bit broken in the storyline, the Undertaker noting that his swagger was missing, and then easily blocking a Michaels attempt at a superkick.
Undertaker wins Sunday, of this there is no doubt - and based on Monday it's perhaps due to Shawn screwing Hunter, unable to watch his friend do what he could not do. And that might lead to Hunter demanding a match with Shawn, somewhere between now and WM 28, which might be Hunter's retirement match. I'm projecting a long way based on one RAW promo.
(4 stars, better than anticipated, not as good as its been viewed, I am perhaps a quarter star generous, it's at the low end of 4 star matches, with significant guys standing still sections being sold as "psychology". But I don't want to be overly negative, at 4 stars it was by leaps and bounds the match of the night. I never need another of these famous guys standing still matches again, however. And I'm irritated with myself about that extra quarter star. No Michaels involvement, Undertaker wins.)
3. Jerry Lawler v. Michael Cole (w/Jack Swagger) - Steve Austin, special guest referee.
Longtime babyface announcer Cole began to dip his toes into a new, dickish announcer character during season one of NXT when they had him serve as Vince's mouthpiece burying Bryan Danielson (because that's what they do - they take a wrestler who people like for non WWE reasons and they kill him dead) that meant Cole siding with the Miz (Danielson's antagonist) and when Miz then became champ, Cole remained his biggest cheerleader.
When Lawler, Miz's broadcast partner, got a title shot - Cole remained in his Miz-cheering heel persona, including interfering in the match to protect Miz's belt - and that's driven us here, Cole has attacked Lawler's family - bringing back Brian Christopher for a show to cut a promo on his dad - JR returned and got put in an ankle lock by Cole's new bodyguard, Jack Swagger (a good use of Swagger in terms of putting him in a high profile angle, a bad use in terms of keeping one of your better workers out of a Mania match).
Cole and Lawler have remained broadcast partners, Cole dipping in and out of his heel character in a less than useful way. As a weaselly heel manager, Cole would find his niche in the business, perhaps after he loses Sunday they'll stick him with Swagger in that capacity.
They stuck Austin in the angle, for no real reason other than he's Steve Austin and coming back to host Tough Enough - and that means the match ends with stunners and beer drinking. It's been a good build and will be a terrible match that others will enjoy more than I will.
(Awful and long. On par with Bret/Vince from the previous year. Cole wins when Lawler is DQ'd after the match, I guess for Austin's actions during the match.)
4. World Title: Edge (w/Christian) v. Alberto del Rio (w/Brodus Clay)
When last we left, babyface Edge had the Smackdown Title - since then it was stripped and won back - Del Rio won the Rumble and decided to challenge for Edge's belt. He then added a bodyguard named Brodus Clay, an apparently untalented big guy from developmental - and that led Christian, gone most of the year with injury, to return on the side of Edge (who no longer is his brother in the storyline, a tremendous mistake).
Christian's beaten del Rio twice in the build - which means that if they aren't doing the Shawn turns on Hunter finish - they'll do a Christian turns on Edge finish. Because, after all, why isn't Christian wrestling at Wrestlemania - why has Christian been stuck on Jakked (there is no more Jakked, but I thought it a funny reference - feel free to replace with Shotgun Saturday Night) while Edge has been World Champ (even if it's just the Smackdown Title).
Christian hasn't cut those promos yet - cause he hasn't turned yet - but if he did cut those promos he'd be right. He is criminally underutilized, I'd welcome a turn if it means a push.
Del Rio goes over in what should be a good match.
( 3 1/4. It was a good match and opened the show. Edge keeps. Note I got almost every result wrong.)
5. Randy Orton v. CM Punk
My guess for best match of the night.
Punk traded in one heel stable (the Straight Edge Society) to take over leadership of another (Nexus) and then turned the guns of Nexus on Orton, ostensibly for revenge for Orton's having cost him his title back in 2008 (when Orton was a heel and Punk a face). Orton's taken out all of Punk's guys in the build - Punk injured Orton's knee, and terrorized his "wife" - and it has all the makings of a midcard Mania match.
Orton's a big enough act that they should give this match some time - and Punk's a good enough worker that he can use that time well; in a night where I'm not expecting any 4 star matches, my guess is this winds up as the best match of the evening. Let's say Punk goes over and the feud continues.
(3 1/4. It was not match of the night. It was good, but no better than that. Orton beats him.)
6. US Title: Sheamus v. Daniel Bryan
Probably this is the opening match of the night and gets 8 minutes; but if it had 15, it would be the best match, and as it is, it's the match to which I'm most looking forward as Danielson's making his Mania debut.
Danielson took the US belt from Miz in the feud previously mentioned - then dropped to Sheamus, who had been doing a losing streak gimmick since winning last year's King of the Ring. I'd expect Sheamus to keep. Danielson's the best wrestler in the western hemisphere.
(Thumbs up to the company for moving this to a dark match. Not enough time after all in between the Snoop Dogg, Pee Wee Herman, Mae Young comedy vignettes, the commericals for Tough Enough and the DVD, the long highlight packages, specifically before the main event, and the choir that came out to sing Cena's theme. I don't know this to be true, but if there's a 4 hour Mania with less actual bell to bell match time than 27, I'd be surprised. I did not care for Wrestlemania 27.)
7. Rey Mysterio v. Cody Rhodes
Cody was doing a "look at my pretty face" gimmick when Rey "broke" his nose - and that's the feud. The 21st century version of Rey is a wrestler named Mistico, who is readying to debut under a new name - were he to appear here in a babyface save of Mysterio that wouldn't shock.
Cody goes over, it will be a good match.
(3 stars, it was fine, but no better than a longer than usual TV match. Cody did go over.)
8. John Morrison/Trish Stratus/Snooki v. Dolph Ziggler/LayCool (w/Vicki Guerrero)
This is the celebrity involvement for the night.
Morrison and Dolph are really good, they've been feuding - and now there are girls. Dolph's managed by Vicki, I think they've dropped the "and they're banging too" element of the storyline - LayCool is the diva heel act, half of them is Undertaker's current wife. Trish is an all time great WWE woman's wrestler, and back in the day so hot it would hurt to look straight at her. Snooki is on Jersey Shore.
The babyfaces win. Hopefully it's fast.
They won and it was fast.
9. Big Show/Kane/Santino/Kozlov v. The Corre (Wade Barrett/Justin Gabriel/Heath Slater/Ezekial Jackson)
When Punk took over Nexus they cut it in half, this is the Smackdown half, run by Barrett, who you may recall from his previous program with Cena. Barrett's the IC Champ - he just took from Kofi Kingston in this build. This is a throwaway match - Kane's apparently now a babyface, Santino and Kozlov were babyface comedy tag champs, they lost the belts to Gabriel and Slater, who are the current tag champs. Jackson is a bodyguard. The Show is the Show.
This will not be good.
Babyface squash.
That's the show - it's not bad, Danielson/Sheamus will be as good as the time they give it, Rey/Cody will be good, but also probably short, Edge/Del Rio will be good, and Punk/Orton I'd guess winds up as the best match of the night. That's 4 matches I'm looking forward to - and while I don't care about the 2 big matches, they'll both be worth watching, and there's intrigue given the third guy expected to be involved in some way.
For purposes of my Counterfactual, some multi-man dark match would be good (I was ready to lose Swagger, but no Christian is going to require some revision) and given the trajectory of Mania I'd expect that's likely to happen. As I write this, I've yet to post Counterfactual Wrestlemania 26, but it's written and ready to fire.
Mania's always worth watching - and I will watch it, probably first thing Monday morning.
I would not expect any of the matches at WM 27 to make this list (HHH/Taker may be the new 20th)- the 20 Best Matches in Wrestlemania history.
1. Razor Ramon d. HBK (10)
2. Owen Hart d. Bret Hart (10)
-I have these as the only five star matches in WM history; one could order them in either way.
3.Bret Hart d. Steve Austin (13)
4.Ricky Steamboat d. Randy Savage (3) (You remember Wrestlemania 3, brother - Andre the Giant had been dead for a week and a half and rigor mortis had driven up his body weight to eleven hundred pounds; as I stood in the ring I didn't know if he was going to do business or not; but when I lifted his corpse high over my head and heard those 2.6 million Hulkamaniacs in the Silverdome cheering me on, brother, I felt his life essence flow into my vital organs; and it was at that moment that I invented the NWO. I went to the back and called Ted Turner, who was running old tapes of Ric Flair wrestling a pig in the Omni...)
5.HBK d. Bret Hart (12)
6. Chris Benoit d. HBK d. HHH (20)
7. Kurt Angle d. Shawn Michaels (21)
-I've got all of these matches at either 4 3/4 or 4 1/2, the distance among them is slight enough that I wouldn't object to really any ordering.
8. Edge/Christian d. Hardys d. Dudleys (16)
9. Edge/Christian d. Hardys d. Dudleys (17)
10.Randy Savage d. Ric Flair (8)
11.Undertaker d. Shawn Michaels (25)
-These are the 4 1/4 matches, there's more distance between the prior group and this group than between this group and the rest of the top 20, which consists of nothing but 4 star matches. So, you could order this group in any way that suits you - and really could intermix this group with the balance of the remainder of this list in any way and not draw too much objection from me.
12. Brock Lesnar d. Kurt Angle (19)
13. Undertaker d. Shawn Michaels (26)
14. Money in the Bank (Edge) (21)
15. Steve Austin d. Rock (15)
16. Kurt Angle d. Chris Benoit (17)
17. Eddy Guerrero d. Kurt Angle (20)
18. Bret Hart d. Roddy Piper (8)
19. Shawn Michaels d. Chris Jericho (19)
20. Ultimate Warrior d. Randy Savage (7)
I don't have any other matches in Mania history at 4 stars - so for my money, these are my 20 best Wrestlemania matches.
2011 MLB Predictions
Wednesday, March 30, 2011
If there is any investment advice coming in the next few minutes of your reading life, it isn't in my prediction of a Red Sox/Braves WS - it's in the places where my season win totals differ significantly from those available in Vegas. If you're a regular reader of mine, you'd know I'm fairly consistent in beating those totals - and in last year's NFL preseason picks, had as much success as I've had in any endeavor in several years.
With that. My win total is first, the Vegas number is second.
AL East
1. Boston (94, 95.5)
2. NYY (91, 91.5)
3. Tampa (87, 84 - that's a reasonable play)
4. Baltimore (80, 76.5 - that's a reasonable play)
5. Toronto (79, 76.5)
Last year's Red Sox team was better than you think, despite missing the playoffs - and to it they add Gonzalez, Crawford and presumably a healthier Pedroia. The Yankees have a bundle of pitching prospects that should pump up their pen by year's end and aid a shaky back of the rotation enough to get by Tampa, on whom if anything, I'm overly pessimistic in this projection. If Yanks/Rays are fighting for that WC spot late that wouldn't surprise. I like both Orioles and Jays more than the sportsbooks.
AL Central
1. CWS (86, 85.5)
2. Minnesota (85, 86)
3. Detroit (85, 84.5)
4. Cleveland (71, 72)
5. KC (64, 68)
-It's hard to be bullish about the top of the White Sox order, but CWS can hit homers (love me some Adam Dunn moving to the AL) and catch the ball, and I'm projecting that's enough to win the division. Liriano, Morneau, and Nathan are all concerns for the Twins - I'd guess 85 is the top of their likely curve for the year, and were they to have a hot first half, I'd like an investment that says they cool down the stretch. The Tigers, like the Brewers in the other league, are employing a stars and scrubs strategy, with some really strong front of the rotation starters, a couple of bit bats in the lineup and not a lot else. That could be enough to win for both of them. Cleveland doesn't have the pitching to do much this year; everyone loves the Royals farm system, but the prospects won't win many games for them this year.
AL West
1. Texas (86, 86.5)
2. Oakland (84, 84)
3. LAA (79, 82.5)
4. Seattle (69, 70)
I've got a bit of a crush on Oakland's pitching staff, but they'll need some uncharacteristic years from the bats to beat this projection and get past Texas. The Angels are a .500 team; Seattle's pretty bad.
The three best teams in the American League are the same 3 best teams from last year - Boston, the Yankees, and Tampa. I'll take the Yankee/Red Sox ALCS and pick Boston to win the pennant.
NL East
1. Philadelphia (90, 96.5 - which is pretty clearly high, it's the best play on the board)
2. Atlanta (88, 88)
3. Florida (82, 82.5)
4. NYM (79, 76)
5. Washington (72, 72.5)
-They lost Werth, and it looks like Utley too for at least the first month of the season, add in a messy bullpen, and winning 97 games looks really far away for the Phils. I like the Braves' bullpen arms a ton, assuming they can maintain their gains post-Cox. Like the Angels, the Fish look like a prototypical .500 club; this is the first year in - maybe a decade that I like the Mets more than the books; and the Nats are hopeless.
NL Central
1. Milwaukee (86, 86.5)
2. St Louis (84, 83.5)
3. Cincinnati (84, 86.5)
4. Chicago (79, 82)
5. Pittsburgh (69, 67)
6. Houston (66, 71 - also, high)
I referenced the Brewers in the Tigers thought; the only reason for the disparity in their records is the AL is the better league, but they seem equally likely to me to win their divisions. Cards probably don't have the arms to get closer to 90 wins; there's some emerging Reds love, I refuse to believe a team planning on hitting Edgar Renteria second in 2011 can win 87 games. I like Chicago's starting staff but not much else; the Pirates have some young offensive talent, and Houston's DOA.
NL West
1. SFG (90, 88)
2. LAD (87, 83.5 - a reasonable play)
3. Colorado (85, 87)
4. San Diego (78, 75.5)
5. Arizona (71, 72.5)
If my Giants won a couple fewer games and the Dodgers or the Rox won a couple more and we got edged out late that wouldn't be a shock, but it's hard to look at SFG and not see an improved Sandoval, a full season from Posey and what looks like lots of ABs from Belt offsetting regression from Torres and Huff to give us comparable offensive production to last year - a full season from Bumgarner helps to mitigate what absolutely has to be regression from the bullpen, and we look to be just a little bit worse than last year. If it turns out we win 87-88 and those other 2 wins go to LA - again, that wouldn't surprise. LA's might nearly match us in arms, and bouncebacks from Ethier and (especially) Kemp gets them near us. The best player in the division is Tulowitzki and Gonzalez isn't far behind - they're a Detroit/Milwaukee stars/scrubs team, but it would take injuries to the top end pitching by the other two clubs to slide them up. Padres fall back without Gonzalez, and Arizona has no chance.
You're making it up if you don't take Philadelphia - last year, I took Phillies/Red Sox for the Series before the season and don't see much reason not to do it again in 2011.
But for the hell of it I'll say it's the Braves, coming out of the WC, who knock off the defending champs, my beloved Giants, in the playoffs and like the ALCS is Yanks/Sox, the NL is Braves/Phils - and Atlanta gets by them.
Braves/Sox WS. I'll take Boston.
With that. My win total is first, the Vegas number is second.
AL East
1. Boston (94, 95.5)
2. NYY (91, 91.5)
3. Tampa (87, 84 - that's a reasonable play)
4. Baltimore (80, 76.5 - that's a reasonable play)
5. Toronto (79, 76.5)
Last year's Red Sox team was better than you think, despite missing the playoffs - and to it they add Gonzalez, Crawford and presumably a healthier Pedroia. The Yankees have a bundle of pitching prospects that should pump up their pen by year's end and aid a shaky back of the rotation enough to get by Tampa, on whom if anything, I'm overly pessimistic in this projection. If Yanks/Rays are fighting for that WC spot late that wouldn't surprise. I like both Orioles and Jays more than the sportsbooks.
AL Central
1. CWS (86, 85.5)
2. Minnesota (85, 86)
3. Detroit (85, 84.5)
4. Cleveland (71, 72)
5. KC (64, 68)
-It's hard to be bullish about the top of the White Sox order, but CWS can hit homers (love me some Adam Dunn moving to the AL) and catch the ball, and I'm projecting that's enough to win the division. Liriano, Morneau, and Nathan are all concerns for the Twins - I'd guess 85 is the top of their likely curve for the year, and were they to have a hot first half, I'd like an investment that says they cool down the stretch. The Tigers, like the Brewers in the other league, are employing a stars and scrubs strategy, with some really strong front of the rotation starters, a couple of bit bats in the lineup and not a lot else. That could be enough to win for both of them. Cleveland doesn't have the pitching to do much this year; everyone loves the Royals farm system, but the prospects won't win many games for them this year.
AL West
1. Texas (86, 86.5)
2. Oakland (84, 84)
3. LAA (79, 82.5)
4. Seattle (69, 70)
I've got a bit of a crush on Oakland's pitching staff, but they'll need some uncharacteristic years from the bats to beat this projection and get past Texas. The Angels are a .500 team; Seattle's pretty bad.
The three best teams in the American League are the same 3 best teams from last year - Boston, the Yankees, and Tampa. I'll take the Yankee/Red Sox ALCS and pick Boston to win the pennant.
NL East
1. Philadelphia (90, 96.5 - which is pretty clearly high, it's the best play on the board)
2. Atlanta (88, 88)
3. Florida (82, 82.5)
4. NYM (79, 76)
5. Washington (72, 72.5)
-They lost Werth, and it looks like Utley too for at least the first month of the season, add in a messy bullpen, and winning 97 games looks really far away for the Phils. I like the Braves' bullpen arms a ton, assuming they can maintain their gains post-Cox. Like the Angels, the Fish look like a prototypical .500 club; this is the first year in - maybe a decade that I like the Mets more than the books; and the Nats are hopeless.
NL Central
1. Milwaukee (86, 86.5)
2. St Louis (84, 83.5)
3. Cincinnati (84, 86.5)
4. Chicago (79, 82)
5. Pittsburgh (69, 67)
6. Houston (66, 71 - also, high)
I referenced the Brewers in the Tigers thought; the only reason for the disparity in their records is the AL is the better league, but they seem equally likely to me to win their divisions. Cards probably don't have the arms to get closer to 90 wins; there's some emerging Reds love, I refuse to believe a team planning on hitting Edgar Renteria second in 2011 can win 87 games. I like Chicago's starting staff but not much else; the Pirates have some young offensive talent, and Houston's DOA.
NL West
1. SFG (90, 88)
2. LAD (87, 83.5 - a reasonable play)
3. Colorado (85, 87)
4. San Diego (78, 75.5)
5. Arizona (71, 72.5)
If my Giants won a couple fewer games and the Dodgers or the Rox won a couple more and we got edged out late that wouldn't be a shock, but it's hard to look at SFG and not see an improved Sandoval, a full season from Posey and what looks like lots of ABs from Belt offsetting regression from Torres and Huff to give us comparable offensive production to last year - a full season from Bumgarner helps to mitigate what absolutely has to be regression from the bullpen, and we look to be just a little bit worse than last year. If it turns out we win 87-88 and those other 2 wins go to LA - again, that wouldn't surprise. LA's might nearly match us in arms, and bouncebacks from Ethier and (especially) Kemp gets them near us. The best player in the division is Tulowitzki and Gonzalez isn't far behind - they're a Detroit/Milwaukee stars/scrubs team, but it would take injuries to the top end pitching by the other two clubs to slide them up. Padres fall back without Gonzalez, and Arizona has no chance.
You're making it up if you don't take Philadelphia - last year, I took Phillies/Red Sox for the Series before the season and don't see much reason not to do it again in 2011.
But for the hell of it I'll say it's the Braves, coming out of the WC, who knock off the defending champs, my beloved Giants, in the playoffs and like the ALCS is Yanks/Sox, the NL is Braves/Phils - and Atlanta gets by them.
Braves/Sox WS. I'll take Boston.
2011 - The 100 Best Players in Major League Baseball
In February, MLB Network did a list of the 100 best players in baseball right now, not a career list or a "who would you start a team with" - but really a list just for the 2011 season. Note, it's a real world list, not a fantsay ranking.
I did not see it at the time, as U-Verse just got MLB network a second and a half ago (but I'm appreciative). So - as part of my opening week listmaking, here's my ranking. My plan is to edit in the MLB ranking for comparison. Hopefully, as you read this, I've already done that.
1. Albert Pujols (Albert Pujols)
2. Troy Tulowitzki (Roy Halladay)
3. Roy Halladay (Joe Mauer)
4. Felix Hernandez (Miguel Cabrera)
5. Hanley Ramirez (Felix Hernandez)
6. Evan Longoria (Tim Lincecum)
7. Ryan Braun (Adrian Gonzalez)
8. Tim Lincecum (Robinson Cano)
9. CCSabathia (Ryan Braun)
10. Kevin Youkilis (Josh Hamilton)
11. Joe Mauer (Mariano Rivera)
12. David Wright (Evan Longoria)
13. Miguel Cabrera (Hanley Ramirez)
14. Joey Votto (Troy Tulowitzki)
15. Prince Fielder (Joey Votto)
16. Alex Rodriguez (Buster Posey)
17. Mark Teixeira (Carlos Gonzalez)
18. Adrian Gonzalez (Kevin Youkilis)
19. Josh Johnson (CC Sabathia)
20. Justin Verlander (Ryan Zimmerman)
21. Matt Holliday (Alex Rodriguez)
22. Cliff Lee (Carl Crawford)
23. Jon Lester (Jon Lester)
24. Ryan Zimmerman (Mark Teixeira)
25. Josh Hamilton (Ryan Howard)
26. Dustin Pedroia (Chase Utley)
27. Brian McCann (Ichiro Suzuki)
28. Jared Weaver (David Price)
29. Nelson Cruz (Prince Fielder)
30. Robinson Cano (Matt Holliday)
31. Carl Crawford (Cliff Lee)
32. Matt Cain (Justin Verlander)
33. Carlos Santana (Josh Johnson)
34. Carlos Gonzalez (SS Choo)
35. Dan Haren (Adrian Beltre)
36. Zack Greinke (Chris Carpenter)
37. Ubaldo Jimenez (Dustin Pedroia)
38. Ian Kinsler (Zack Greinke)
39. Ryan Howard (Ubaldo Jimenez)
40. Clayton Kershaw (Trevor Cahill)
41. Chris Carpenter (Brian McCann)
42. Jay Bruce (David Wright)
43. Buster Posey (Dan Uggla)
44. Jayson Werth (Brian Wilson)
45. Adrian Beltre (Jayson Werth)
46. Mat Latos (Derek Jeter)
47. Clay Buccholz (Paul Konerko)
48. David Price (Adam Dunn)
49. Matt Kemp (Joakim Soria)
50. Dan Uggla (Jose Bautista)
51. SS Choo (Roy Oswalt)
52. Adam Dunn (Clayton Kershaw)
53. Roy Oswalt (Victor Martinez)
54. Cole Hamels (Matt Cain)
55. Tommy Hanson (Clay Buchholz)
56. Colby Lewis (Andre Ethier)
57. CJ Wilson (Neftali Feliz)
58. John Danks (Jared Weaver)
59. Yovani Gallardo (Johan Santana)
60. Max Scherzer (Andrew McCutcheon)
61. Jason Heyward (Carlos Marmol)
62. Rickie Weeks (Brandon Phillips)
63. Hiroki Kuroda (Ian Kinsler)
64. Victor Martinez (Heath Bell)
65. Jason Bay (Matt Kemp)
66. Geovany Soto (Martin Prado)
67. Trevor Cahill (Nelson Cruz)
68. Phillip Hughes (Jason Heyward)
69. Chad Billingsley (Rickie Weeks)
70. Dan Hudson (Andrew Bailey)
71. Nick Swisher (Cole Hamels)
72. Mike Stanton (Tim Hudson)
73. Chase Utley (Dan Haren)
74. Pedro Alvarez (Mark Reynolds)
75. Brett Anderson (Rafael Soriano)
76. Shawn Marcum (Mike Stanton)
77. Curtis Granderson (Nick Markakis)
78. Justin Upton (Justin Upton)
79. Jose Reyes (Jose Reyes)
80. Hunter Pence (Curtis Granderson)
81. Tim Hudson (Jay Bruce)
82. Javier Vazquez (Shane Victorino)
83. Chipper Jones (Vlad Guerrero)
84. Martin Prado (David Ortiz)
85. Torii Hunter (Austin Jackson)
86. Ryan Dempster (Jason Bay)
87. Andre Ethier (Scott Rolen)
88. Joe Nathan (Yadier Molina)
89. Alexei Ramirez (Colby Rasmus)
90. Paul Konerko (Michael Young)
91. Alex Rios (Brian Roberts)
92. Dallas Braden (Vernon Wells? Really?)
93. Francisco Liriano (Justin Morneau)
94. Ryan Ludwick (Torii Hunter)
95. Heath Bell (Elvis Andrus)
96. Joakim Soria (Jose Valverde)
97. Mariano Rivera (Jacoby Ellsbury)
98. Justin Morneau (Grady Sizemore)
99. Pablo Sandoval (Carlos Santana)
100. Jake Peavy (Aroldis Chapman)
My current roster, therefore, of baseball's best players would be this:
C Mauer McCann
1B Pujols Youkilis Cabrera
2B Utley Cano
SS Tulowitzki Ramirez
3B Longoria Wright
LF Braun
CF Hamilton
RF Holliday
OF Crawford
OF Cruz
P Halladay
Hernandez
Lincecum
Sabathia
Johnson
Verlander
Lee
Lester
Weaver
I did not see it at the time, as U-Verse just got MLB network a second and a half ago (but I'm appreciative). So - as part of my opening week listmaking, here's my ranking. My plan is to edit in the MLB ranking for comparison. Hopefully, as you read this, I've already done that.
1. Albert Pujols (Albert Pujols)
2. Troy Tulowitzki (Roy Halladay)
3. Roy Halladay (Joe Mauer)
4. Felix Hernandez (Miguel Cabrera)
5. Hanley Ramirez (Felix Hernandez)
6. Evan Longoria (Tim Lincecum)
7. Ryan Braun (Adrian Gonzalez)
8. Tim Lincecum (Robinson Cano)
9. CCSabathia (Ryan Braun)
10. Kevin Youkilis (Josh Hamilton)
11. Joe Mauer (Mariano Rivera)
12. David Wright (Evan Longoria)
13. Miguel Cabrera (Hanley Ramirez)
14. Joey Votto (Troy Tulowitzki)
15. Prince Fielder (Joey Votto)
16. Alex Rodriguez (Buster Posey)
17. Mark Teixeira (Carlos Gonzalez)
18. Adrian Gonzalez (Kevin Youkilis)
19. Josh Johnson (CC Sabathia)
20. Justin Verlander (Ryan Zimmerman)
21. Matt Holliday (Alex Rodriguez)
22. Cliff Lee (Carl Crawford)
23. Jon Lester (Jon Lester)
24. Ryan Zimmerman (Mark Teixeira)
25. Josh Hamilton (Ryan Howard)
26. Dustin Pedroia (Chase Utley)
27. Brian McCann (Ichiro Suzuki)
28. Jared Weaver (David Price)
29. Nelson Cruz (Prince Fielder)
30. Robinson Cano (Matt Holliday)
31. Carl Crawford (Cliff Lee)
32. Matt Cain (Justin Verlander)
33. Carlos Santana (Josh Johnson)
34. Carlos Gonzalez (SS Choo)
35. Dan Haren (Adrian Beltre)
36. Zack Greinke (Chris Carpenter)
37. Ubaldo Jimenez (Dustin Pedroia)
38. Ian Kinsler (Zack Greinke)
39. Ryan Howard (Ubaldo Jimenez)
40. Clayton Kershaw (Trevor Cahill)
41. Chris Carpenter (Brian McCann)
42. Jay Bruce (David Wright)
43. Buster Posey (Dan Uggla)
44. Jayson Werth (Brian Wilson)
45. Adrian Beltre (Jayson Werth)
46. Mat Latos (Derek Jeter)
47. Clay Buccholz (Paul Konerko)
48. David Price (Adam Dunn)
49. Matt Kemp (Joakim Soria)
50. Dan Uggla (Jose Bautista)
51. SS Choo (Roy Oswalt)
52. Adam Dunn (Clayton Kershaw)
53. Roy Oswalt (Victor Martinez)
54. Cole Hamels (Matt Cain)
55. Tommy Hanson (Clay Buchholz)
56. Colby Lewis (Andre Ethier)
57. CJ Wilson (Neftali Feliz)
58. John Danks (Jared Weaver)
59. Yovani Gallardo (Johan Santana)
60. Max Scherzer (Andrew McCutcheon)
61. Jason Heyward (Carlos Marmol)
62. Rickie Weeks (Brandon Phillips)
63. Hiroki Kuroda (Ian Kinsler)
64. Victor Martinez (Heath Bell)
65. Jason Bay (Matt Kemp)
66. Geovany Soto (Martin Prado)
67. Trevor Cahill (Nelson Cruz)
68. Phillip Hughes (Jason Heyward)
69. Chad Billingsley (Rickie Weeks)
70. Dan Hudson (Andrew Bailey)
71. Nick Swisher (Cole Hamels)
72. Mike Stanton (Tim Hudson)
73. Chase Utley (Dan Haren)
74. Pedro Alvarez (Mark Reynolds)
75. Brett Anderson (Rafael Soriano)
76. Shawn Marcum (Mike Stanton)
77. Curtis Granderson (Nick Markakis)
78. Justin Upton (Justin Upton)
79. Jose Reyes (Jose Reyes)
80. Hunter Pence (Curtis Granderson)
81. Tim Hudson (Jay Bruce)
82. Javier Vazquez (Shane Victorino)
83. Chipper Jones (Vlad Guerrero)
84. Martin Prado (David Ortiz)
85. Torii Hunter (Austin Jackson)
86. Ryan Dempster (Jason Bay)
87. Andre Ethier (Scott Rolen)
88. Joe Nathan (Yadier Molina)
89. Alexei Ramirez (Colby Rasmus)
90. Paul Konerko (Michael Young)
91. Alex Rios (Brian Roberts)
92. Dallas Braden (Vernon Wells? Really?)
93. Francisco Liriano (Justin Morneau)
94. Ryan Ludwick (Torii Hunter)
95. Heath Bell (Elvis Andrus)
96. Joakim Soria (Jose Valverde)
97. Mariano Rivera (Jacoby Ellsbury)
98. Justin Morneau (Grady Sizemore)
99. Pablo Sandoval (Carlos Santana)
100. Jake Peavy (Aroldis Chapman)
My current roster, therefore, of baseball's best players would be this:
C Mauer McCann
1B Pujols Youkilis Cabrera
2B Utley Cano
SS Tulowitzki Ramirez
3B Longoria Wright
LF Braun
CF Hamilton
RF Holliday
OF Crawford
OF Cruz
P Halladay
Hernandez
Lincecum
Sabathia
Johnson
Verlander
Lee
Lester
Weaver
The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players Ever 2011 Ed. #10-1
Tuesday, March 29, 2011
The 2012 version of this list begins here.
The previous ten is here.
Here's the previous 190.
200. Harmon Killebrew
99. Willie McCovey
98. Rick Reuschel
97. Eddie Murray
96. John Smoltz
95. Craig Biggio
94. Mariano Rivera
93. Don Drysdale
92. Roberto Alomar
91. Gary Sheffield
90. Jim Edmonds
89. Jim Thome
88. Johnny Mize
87. Manny Ramirez
86. Pedro Martinez
85. Scott Rolen
84. Alan Trammell
83. John Clarkson
82. Robin Yount
81. Luke Appling
80. Lou Whitaker
79. Gary Carter
78. Bobby Grich
77. Tim Raines
76. Sam Crawford
75. Tony Gwynn
74. Paul Waner
73. Ed Delahanty
72. Mike Mussina
71. Reggie Jackson
70. Frankie Frisch
69. Rod Carew
68. Paul Molitor
67. Tom Glavine
66. Bill Dahlen
65. Ken Griffey
64. Nolan Ryan
63. Chipper Jones
62. Barry Larkin
61. Ozzie Smith
60. Johnny Bench
59. Charlie Gehringer
58. Carl Yastrzemski
57. Ivan Rodriguez
56. Al Kaline
55. Roberto Clemente
54. George Brett
53. Pete Rose
52. Dan Brouthers
51. Robin Roberts
50. Eddie Plank
49. Frank Thomas
48. Fergie Jenkins
47. Arky Vaughan
46. Joe DiMaggio
45. Jeff Bagwell
44. George Davis
43. Wade Boggs
42. Roger Connor
41. Albert Pujols
40. Jimmie Foxx
39. Lefty Grove
38. Bob Gibson
37. Steve Carlton
36. Kid Nichols
35. Randy Johnson
34. Bert Blyleven
33. Cap Anson
32. Gaylord Perry
31. Phil Niekro
30. Cal Ripken
29. Warren Spahn
28. Eddie Mathews
27. Christy Mathewson
26. Alex Rodriguez
25. Tom Seaver
24. Greg Maddux
23. Joe Morgan
22. Frank Robinson
21. Lou Gehrig
20. Nap Lajoie
19. Mike Schmidt
18. Grover Cleveland Alexander
17. Rickey Henderson
16. Mickey Mantle
15. Mel Ott
14. Ted Williams
13. Rogers Hornsby
12. Tris Speaker
11. Eddie Collins
Subjective/Peak
1. Babe Ruth RF/LHP 375.1
1914-35
Yankees/Red Sox
OPS+ 206
ERA+ 122
And we have a winner.
Edit - it's the all star break in 2011; I'm revising - the two numbers I'm using are still WAR (Baseball-reference) and WARP3 (now using Clay Davenport's version). That means changes. I'll edit when time permits. Here is the new top ten.
The two rosters.
Subjective/Peak
The previous ten is here.
Here's the previous 190.
200. Harmon Killebrew
199. Goose Goslin
198. Jimmy Collins
197. Jose Cruz
196. Bobby Bonds
195. Graig Nettles
194. Jack Clark
193. Ron Cey
192. Dazzy Vance
191. Jim Bunning
190. Bobby Doerr
189. Buddy Bell
188. Roy Halladay
187. Tony Mullane
186. Ducky Medwick
185. Clark Griffith
184. Carlos Beltran
183. Bret Saberhagen
182. Vladimir Guerrero
181. Enos Slaughter
180. Ken Boyer
179. Joe Gordon
178. Andre Dawson
177. King Kelly
176. Jimmy Wynn
175. Kenny Lofton
174. Joe Torre
173. John Olerud
172. Joe Jackson
171. Stan Hack
170. Bobby Abreu
169. Frank Tanana
168. Buck Ewing
167. Jim O'Rourke
166. Reggie Smith
165. Al Simmons
164. Richie Ashburn
163. Bob Caruthers
162. Billy Williams
161. Darrell Evans
160. Jake Beckley
159. Sammy Sosa
158. Duke Snider
157. Dwight Evans
156. Tommy John
155. Andruw Jones
154. Robin Ventura
153. Luis Tiant
152. Dave Winfield
151. Bob Feller
150. Jack Glasscock
149. Elmer Flick
148. Gabby Hartnett
147. Will Clark
146. Jim Palmer
145. Pud Galvin
144. Willie Stargell
143. Home Run Baker
142. Billy Herman
141. Hal Newhouser
140. Juan Marichal
139. Red Ruffing
138. Dick Allen
137. Bill Dickey
136. Amos Rusie
135. Pee Wee Reese
134. Keith Hernandez
133. Jackie Robinson
132. Monte Ward
131. Don Sutton
130. Willie Randolph
129. Jesse Burkett
128. Wee Willie Keeler
127. Bid McPhee
126. Mike Piazza
125. Harry Heilmann
124. Ted Lyons
123. Kevin Brown
122. Ed Walsh
121. Larry Walker
120. Brooks Robinson
119. Fred Clarke
118. Hoss Radbourn
117. Ryne Sandberg
116. Bobby Wallace
115. Lou Boudreau
114. Curt Schilling
113. Jeff Kent
112. Carlton Fisk
111. Rafael Palmeiro
110. Joe Cronin
109. Ernie Banks
108. Ron Santo
107. Derek Jeter
106. Carl Hubbell
105. Mark McGwire
104. Yogi Berra
103. Billy Hamilton
102. Tim Keefe
101. Edgar Martinez
100. Dennis Eckersley99. Willie McCovey
98. Rick Reuschel
97. Eddie Murray
96. John Smoltz
95. Craig Biggio
94. Mariano Rivera
93. Don Drysdale
92. Roberto Alomar
91. Gary Sheffield
90. Jim Edmonds
89. Jim Thome
88. Johnny Mize
87. Manny Ramirez
86. Pedro Martinez
85. Scott Rolen
84. Alan Trammell
83. John Clarkson
82. Robin Yount
81. Luke Appling
80. Lou Whitaker
79. Gary Carter
78. Bobby Grich
77. Tim Raines
76. Sam Crawford
75. Tony Gwynn
74. Paul Waner
73. Ed Delahanty
72. Mike Mussina
71. Reggie Jackson
70. Frankie Frisch
69. Rod Carew
68. Paul Molitor
67. Tom Glavine
66. Bill Dahlen
65. Ken Griffey
64. Nolan Ryan
63. Chipper Jones
62. Barry Larkin
61. Ozzie Smith
60. Johnny Bench
59. Charlie Gehringer
58. Carl Yastrzemski
57. Ivan Rodriguez
56. Al Kaline
55. Roberto Clemente
54. George Brett
53. Pete Rose
52. Dan Brouthers
51. Robin Roberts
50. Eddie Plank
49. Frank Thomas
48. Fergie Jenkins
47. Arky Vaughan
46. Joe DiMaggio
45. Jeff Bagwell
44. George Davis
43. Wade Boggs
42. Roger Connor
41. Albert Pujols
40. Jimmie Foxx
39. Lefty Grove
38. Bob Gibson
37. Steve Carlton
36. Kid Nichols
35. Randy Johnson
34. Bert Blyleven
33. Cap Anson
32. Gaylord Perry
31. Phil Niekro
30. Cal Ripken
29. Warren Spahn
28. Eddie Mathews
27. Christy Mathewson
26. Alex Rodriguez
25. Tom Seaver
24. Greg Maddux
23. Joe Morgan
22. Frank Robinson
21. Lou Gehrig
20. Nap Lajoie
19. Mike Schmidt
18. Grover Cleveland Alexander
17. Rickey Henderson
16. Mickey Mantle
15. Mel Ott
14. Ted Williams
13. Rogers Hornsby
12. Tris Speaker
11. Eddie Collins
Here are the two rosters
Career value:
C Rodriguez (Bench)
1B Gehrig (Anson)
2B Collins (Hornsby)
SS Rodriguez (Ripken)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Williams (Henderson)
CF Speaker (Mantle)
RF Ott (Robinson)
RHP Alexander (Maddux, Seaver, Mathewson, Niekro, Perry, Blyleven )
LHP Spahn (Johnson)
1B Gehrig (Anson)
2B Collins (Hornsby)
SS Rodriguez (Ripken)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Williams (Henderson)
CF Speaker (Mantle)
RF Ott (Robinson)
RHP Alexander (Maddux, Seaver, Mathewson, Niekro, Perry, Blyleven )
LHP Spahn (Johnson)
Subjective/Peak
C Bench (Berra)
1B Gehrig (Pujols)
2B Hornsby (Lajoie)
SS Rodriguez (Vaughan)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Williams (Jackson)
CF Mantle (Speaker)
RF Ott (Robinson)
RHP Mathewson (Rivera, Martinez, Walsh, Nichols, Alexander, Maddux )
LHP Grove (Johnson)
1B Gehrig (Pujols)
2B Hornsby (Lajoie)
SS Rodriguez (Vaughan)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Williams (Jackson)
CF Mantle (Speaker)
RF Ott (Robinson)
RHP Mathewson (Rivera, Martinez, Walsh, Nichols, Alexander, Maddux )
LHP Grove (Johnson)
10. Roger Clemens RHP WARP+WAR=263.9
1984-07
Red Sox
ERA+ 143
MVPQ 1987 (18.2), 1990 (18.2), 1997 (21.9, w/Toronto),
Mathewson's 6 MVPQ gives him the advantage for the peak roster for me - and now I'm going to reverse course and penalize Rivera's lack of innings and bump him. Making my RH pitching rotation:
1. Mathewson
2. Martinez
3. Clemens
4. Walsh
5. Rivera
6. Nichols
7. Alexander
8. Maddux
I bump Randy Johnson, keeping only the one lefty. There's still two pitchers left to come.
Red Sox
ERA+ 143
MVPQ 1987 (18.2), 1990 (18.2), 1997 (21.9, w/Toronto),
Mathewson's 6 MVPQ gives him the advantage for the peak roster for me - and now I'm going to reverse course and penalize Rivera's lack of innings and bump him. Making my RH pitching rotation:
1. Mathewson
2. Martinez
3. Clemens
4. Walsh
5. Rivera
6. Nichols
7. Alexander
8. Maddux
I bump Randy Johnson, keeping only the one lefty. There's still two pitchers left to come.
9. Stan Musial LF 264.8
1941-63
Cardinals
OPS+ 159
I can't do a better Musial v. Williams absent the pre-1950 season by season WARP totals, which currently are not available. Williams had a significantly better bat - that OPS+ is ridiculous. Musial's also below both Gehrig and Pujols in OPS+, and given their nearly double digit MVPQ seasons its unlikely he's getting past them there either.
Meaning what - meaning that Musial slides in now as the backup LF. Emphasis on now. And it could be Pujols, backing up at first base - who keeps Musial off the all time roster.
Cardinals
OPS+ 159
I can't do a better Musial v. Williams absent the pre-1950 season by season WARP totals, which currently are not available. Williams had a significantly better bat - that OPS+ is ridiculous. Musial's also below both Gehrig and Pujols in OPS+, and given their nearly double digit MVPQ seasons its unlikely he's getting past them there either.
Meaning what - meaning that Musial slides in now as the backup LF. Emphasis on now. And it could be Pujols, backing up at first base - who keeps Musial off the all time roster.
8. Honus Wagner SS 284.6
Pirates
1897-1917
Pirates
1897-1917
OPS+ 150
As with Williams/Musial, I'd like to see a yearly WARP breakdown of Wagner before comfortably slotting him above ARod - but provisionally, I'll stick with Wagner's slightly superior bat.
As with Williams/Musial, I'd like to see a yearly WARP breakdown of Wagner before comfortably slotting him above ARod - but provisionally, I'll stick with Wagner's slightly superior bat.
1890-11
Indians/Red Sox
ERA+ 138
Young in after Clemens, who has a better adjusted ERA, and ahead of Walsh, as the weight of the value necessitates he falls there. Again, subject to revision.
Indians/Red Sox
ERA+ 138
Young in after Clemens, who has a better adjusted ERA, and ahead of Walsh, as the weight of the value necessitates he falls there. Again, subject to revision.
1954-76
Braves
OPS+ 155
MVPQ 1959 (17.6), 1960 (18.8), 1961 (17.6), 1962 (17.4), 1967 (18.1),
Aaron better, but not by magnitudes, than Ott/Robinson.
Braves
OPS+ 155
MVPQ 1959 (17.6), 1960 (18.8), 1961 (17.6), 1962 (17.4), 1967 (18.1),
Aaron better, but not by magnitudes, than Ott/Robinson.
1905-28
Tigers
OPS+ 168
Behind Mantle, ahead of Speaker.
Tigers
OPS+ 168
Behind Mantle, ahead of Speaker.
1907-27
Senators
ERA+ 147
The Train's the best pitcher who ever lived.
Senators
ERA+ 147
The Train's the best pitcher who ever lived.
1951-73
Giants
OPS+ 155
MVPQ 1954 (21.1), 1955 (17.6), 1957 (17), 1958 (20.8), 1960 (18.1), 1961 (17.3), 1962 (21.1), 1963 (19.5), 1964 (20.4), 1965 (21.9), 1966 (17.6),
11 MVPQ seasons for Mays.
Giants
OPS+ 155
MVPQ 1954 (21.1), 1955 (17.6), 1957 (17), 1958 (20.8), 1960 (18.1), 1961 (17.3), 1962 (21.1), 1963 (19.5), 1964 (20.4), 1965 (21.9), 1966 (17.6),
11 MVPQ seasons for Mays.
1986-07
Giants/Pirates
OPS+ 181
MVPQ 1990 (18.4), 1992 (19.2), 1993 (20.8), 1996 (19.4), 1997 (16.9), 1998 (18.8), 2000 (17), 2001 (24.6), 2002 (23.5), 2003 (19.9), 2004 (24.2),
11 MVPQ seasons for Bonds. Be useful to see how many Williams had. Bonds is the LF for now.
Giants/Pirates
OPS+ 181
MVPQ 1990 (18.4), 1992 (19.2), 1993 (20.8), 1996 (19.4), 1997 (16.9), 1998 (18.8), 2000 (17), 2001 (24.6), 2002 (23.5), 2003 (19.9), 2004 (24.2),
11 MVPQ seasons for Bonds. Be useful to see how many Williams had. Bonds is the LF for now.
1. Babe Ruth RF/LHP 375.1
1914-35
Yankees/Red Sox
OPS+ 206
ERA+ 122
And we have a winner.
Edit - it's the all star break in 2011; I'm revising - the two numbers I'm using are still WAR (Baseball-reference) and WARP3 (now using Clay Davenport's version). That means changes. I'll edit when time permits. Here is the new top ten.
1. 1Ruth 360
2. 2Bonds 345.2
3. 3Mays 299.9
4. 4Johnson 290.3
5. 5Cobb 282.7
6. 6Clemens 277.2
7. 7Aaron 271
8. 8Young 266
9. 9Wagner 262.1
10. 10.Musial 249.5
The two rosters.
Career value:
C Rodriguez (Bench)
1B Gehrig (Anson)
2B Collins (Hornsby)
SS Wagner (Rodriguez)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Bonds (Musial)
CF Mays (Cobb)
RF Ruth (Aaron)
RHP Johnson (Young, Clemens, Alexander, Maddux, Seaver, Mathewson,)
LHP Spahn (Johnson)
1B Gehrig (Anson)
2B Collins (Hornsby)
SS Wagner (Rodriguez)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Bonds (Musial)
CF Mays (Cobb)
RF Ruth (Aaron)
RHP Johnson (Young, Clemens, Alexander, Maddux, Seaver, Mathewson,)
LHP Spahn (Johnson)
Subjective/Peak
C Bench (Berra)
1B Gehrig (Pujols)
2B Hornsby (Lajoie)
SS Wagner (Rodriguez)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Bonds (Williams)
CF Mays (Mantle)
RF Ruth (Aaron)
RHP Johnson ( Mathewson, Clemens, Young, Martinez, Rivera, Walsh, Nichols,)
LHP Grove
1B Gehrig (Pujols)
2B Hornsby (Lajoie)
SS Wagner (Rodriguez)
3B Schmidt (Mathews)
LF Bonds (Williams)
CF Mays (Mantle)
RF Ruth (Aaron)
RHP Johnson ( Mathewson, Clemens, Young, Martinez, Rivera, Walsh, Nichols,)
LHP Grove
TBOR Athlete of the Month - March 2011+ 2004 Athlete of the Year
Monday, March 28, 2011
Kemba Walker. Runners-up: Kevin Love, Maya Moore, Brandon Knight
You can get to the January and February winners (Nick Fairley, Aaron Rodgers) here.
In 2004, the Athlete of the Year was Peyton Manning.
January - Matt Leinart (Brian Boucher, Ty Law, Deion Branch)
February - Kevin Garnett (Jameer Nelson, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Kobe Bryant)
March - Diana Taurasi (Chris Webber, Tracy McGrady, Emeka Okafor)
April - Phil Mickelson (Barry Bonds, Tim Duncan, Roger Clemens)
May - Antonio Tarver (Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Randy Johnson)
June - Rip Hamilton (Vlad Guerrero, Martin St. Louis, Maria Sharapova)
July - Lance Armstrong (Roger Federer, Alfonso Soriano, Todd Hamilton)
August - Michael Phelps (Hicham el Guerrouj, Vijay Singh, Carly Patterson)
September - Roger Federer (Ichiro Suzuki, Bernard Hopkins, Vlad Guerrero)
October - David Ortiz (Adrian Peterson, Carlos Beltran, Manny Ramirez)
November - Peyton Manning (David Greene, Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart)
December - LeBron James (Reggie Bush, Tracy McGrady, Jerome Bettis)
You can get to the January and February winners (Nick Fairley, Aaron Rodgers) here.
In 2004, the Athlete of the Year was Peyton Manning.
January - Matt Leinart (Brian Boucher, Ty Law, Deion Branch)
February - Kevin Garnett (Jameer Nelson, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Kobe Bryant)
March - Diana Taurasi (Chris Webber, Tracy McGrady, Emeka Okafor)
April - Phil Mickelson (Barry Bonds, Tim Duncan, Roger Clemens)
May - Antonio Tarver (Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Randy Johnson)
June - Rip Hamilton (Vlad Guerrero, Martin St. Louis, Maria Sharapova)
July - Lance Armstrong (Roger Federer, Alfonso Soriano, Todd Hamilton)
August - Michael Phelps (Hicham el Guerrouj, Vijay Singh, Carly Patterson)
September - Roger Federer (Ichiro Suzuki, Bernard Hopkins, Vlad Guerrero)
October - David Ortiz (Adrian Peterson, Carlos Beltran, Manny Ramirez)
November - Peyton Manning (David Greene, Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart)
December - LeBron James (Reggie Bush, Tracy McGrady, Jerome Bettis)
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