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The Weekly Tendown February 6 --12 2011

Sunday, February 13, 2011

Dear Internet:


Sometimes the news confuses me.  Near as I can figure, this week the people of Egypt, led by the Muslim Brotherhood and Utah Jazz All-Star point guard Deron Williams drove Hosni Mubarak out of power.

Hopefully President Tyrone Corbin can help facilitate peace in the Northwest Division.  Egypt's relationship with neighbor Oklahoma City has been tenuous since the Six Days War.

Here's Tendown 64.

1. Would You Like to Make Some Money?






So, I lost against the spread picking the Super Bowl last week.  This does not bother me, as I did not invest, rooting, in fact, for the Packers.

Five years ago, however, Seattle was getting points against the Steelers, and it could have been that I felt fairly confident in that investment, given my view that they were the stronger team.

As you know, that game was fixed.

I then made a mistake.  Commitment bias is this - the tendency to throw good money after bad; so, let's say you're dating someone who you should really not be with anymore, but you say "if I leave him now, it's like I've wasted the past X years of my life.  I have to keep going."

It's what causes the Niners to cut the clearly superior Shaun Hill and keep playing Alex Smith.  If we cut him now - it's like we wasted the top overall pick."

It's important, in business, in sports, in life, in gambling to recognize the value of sunk costs.  It's what keeps a loss from bankrupting you.

So, SB 40 went the wrong way, and understanding the human tendency to chase bad money, I decided to make it all back with a Grammy investment.

Don't do that.  It's error.

I've forgotten who was favored to win both Album and Song of the Year five years ago (guessing - it was Kanye) but it wasn't U2.

Here's why that matters - investing in awards shows is not a good proposition; either there's a solid favorite (Eminem for Best Album this year) meaning there's just no play given how bad are the odds, or it's a coin flip, and that's never something you should play (unless it's the Super Bowl and you play tails).

But sometimes, analysis of past votes (and that's how you play; it's not a qualitative "here's who's best" judgment, the way you play is "who is in the position of previous winners") leads to the view that the most likely winner is mistakenly a pretty good underdog according to the sportsbooks.

And 5 years ago - I thought U2 was going to win, but they weren't favored, and having just taken a bath in a clearly fixed Super Bowl, I went in heavy.

This is a mistake.

Except that time it worked out and I cleaned up.

Leading us to tonight.

Let me direct you to Lady Antebellum this evening.  Plus another 10 picks tonight.  They are dogs for both song/record and I don't believe that's the most likely result tonight.  The metric for this isn't as strong as for sports - but it's not a shot in the dark either.  If, for whatever reason, you decided to invest tonight, think Lady Antebellum for Song and Record.  I did give you Boardwalk Empire/Steve Buscemi a month ago.

(edit - You're welcome.)

Album - Eminem
Best New Artist - Justin Bieber
Song - Need You Now (Cee Lo is favored, so there's an opportunity here)
Record - Need You Now (Eminem/Rihanna is favored, and Lady Antebellum is also behind Jay Z/Alicia Keys so there's an opportunity here.)
Short Form Video - Bad Romance
Male Country Vocal - Keith Urban
Female Country Vocal - Miranda Lambert
Alternative Album - Arcade Fire
Urban Alternative - Cee Lo Green
Male R&B Vocal - Usher
Pop Vocal Album - Gaga
Female Pop Vocal - Gaga
Rap Solo - Eminem

We'll see how it goes.

2. Jefferson Davis = Adlai Stevenson


If Tendown has any value, I know I have readers who otherwise would be unaware of the lengths that the right wing goes to fabricate American history.  Previously, we've seen Limbaugh and right wing congressmen discuss how it was the Republicans who were the true civil rights crusaders.  And presumably, someone who doesn't know what happened to all those southern Democrats who opposed Brown or CRA '64 (spoiler alert - they became Republicans) might get tricked.

To that end - here's Ann Coulter from CPAC this week. saying that liberals fought to keep slavery during the Civil War.

And this week, here's Michele Bachmann saying that other than Native Americans, all Americans have the same story of coming to the US by choice for a better life.  An omission?  Nah - two weeks ago she said this:


"How unique in all of the world, that one nation that was the resting point from people groups all across the world," she said. "It didn't matter the color of their skin, it didn't matter their language, it didn't matter their economic status."


"Once you got here, we were all the same. Isn't that remarkable?" 


It is remarkable.  Which explains why the National Review, the longtime right wing journal of record, wrote this in 1957.



The central question that emerges--and it is not a parliamentary question or a question that is answered by merely consulting a catalog of the rights of American citizens, born Equal--is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes--the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the median cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists. The question, as far as the White community is concerned, is whether the claims of civilization supersede those of universal suffrage. The British believe they do, and acted accordingly, in Kenya, where the choice was dramatically one between civilization and barbarism, and elsewhere; the South, where the conflict is by no means dramatic, as in Kenya, nevertheless perceives important qualitative differences between its culture and the Negroes', and intends to assert its own.



Note - that Kenya discussion is at the heart of today's right wing theory of Obama's hatred of the United States - he has an anti-colonial reservoir of resentment toward England for its treatment of Kenya that has manifested in his desire to destroy the United States.

No, seriously.  Here's Dinesh D'Souza in a piece that has been supported by Newt, Palin, and Simple Jack:


Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation's agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father's dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost.

In a right wing history class, the earth is 6,000 years old; the founding fathers created the United States as a Christian nation as they were ending slavery.  The Progressive Era was a totalitarian power grab by the federal government; the progressive income tax, the minimum wage, and minimum health and safety standards were part of an inexorable slide to socialism, that - when coupled with the failure of the New Deal under perhaps our worst President ever, FDR, created a United States which was only saved by the coming of Ronald Reagan, whose tax cutting both decreased the deficit and created jobs, policies that if we would just return to could unleash to power of small business and return America to its late 19th century glory.  Social Security is a failed ponzi scheme.  Unemployment benefits create hobos.  Iraq has been a successful war.  Biblical law should replace the criminal justice system.   Liberals and Muslims are part of a worldwide conspiracy to impose Sharia law/gay marriage on the United States.  Your guns and Bible are in jeopardy of being taken away.  The only guardians of the liberties enshrined in the Constitution are on the right wing.  

And I don't even go after the low hanging fruit.  Read about Bryan Fischer sometime and consider why it is mainstream Republicans can go on his radio show without being required to repudiate his constant vicious bigotry.  I talk about the big guys, elected officials, the big corporately supported heavy right wing hitters.  Take a step down and you get all manner of right wing madness that just goes undiscussed by mainstream media until you look up and Rand Paul, who believes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is unconstitutional and that businesses should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race if they choose to becomes elected to the US Senate.

Can you be elected in South Africa in 2011 if you say "now, personally, I didn't like apartheid, but I'm not sure we should have stopped it."

Because in the US - those guys are sitting at the head of the table.

3. And While We're At It
Here's what really happened in the 1980s.

4. Meanwhile, at the home front.


I live in south Florida.  Here was our week.

The new right wing governor wants to cut corporate taxes by 700 billion.  How to pay for it?  Take 4 billion out of Medicaid.

The proposed budget is here.


In his first budget proposal, Gov. Rick Scott wants to slash more than $4.6 billion from the state's current spending of $70.5 billion by cutting services to the developmentally disabled, whacking per-pupil spending and doing away with nearly 8,700 state worker jobs while giving businesses a $1.4 billion tax break.
Scott, who rolled out his $65.9 billion spending plan at a tea party event in rural Central Florida, called his austere proposal a gimmick-free approach to governing.


"There's no sweeteners for special interests or special people or special companies," Scott told reporters in the Capitol on Monday after first releasing details to tea party supporters in Eustis.
But Scott's budget plan would lower the corporate income tax from 5.5 percent to 3 percent, a $1.4 billion savings for big businesses in the state. And his proposal includes $800 million in economic development money that he alone could dole out to businesses coming to or expanding in Florida.


And for those who are unemployed - good news - Florida businesses may soon contribute less money to the unemployment insurance fund. Here's the chairman of the Florida House panel which passed those recommendations this week:




Every World Series Winner Ranked by Pythagorean Record.

Thursday, February 10, 2011




Here, every WS winner ranked by regular season pythagorean record, normalized for a 162 game season, every player from each team with a WAR (baseball reference version) over 5 is listed.    The team each beat, with its pythag, is also listed.

With that - every WS winner ranked.  Updated through 2019.


1. 1939 Yankees 119 (111) (MLB Network says this is the second greatest team ever)
-Gehrig’s last year, but it was DiMaggio’s team the best team in baseball history swept the World Series.  Yanks were 23 pythag wins ahead of the next best team in the AL. Dimaggio, Dickey, Gordon, Keller, Rolfe, Selkirk, Ruffing  (d. Reds 99)

2.  1927 Yankees 114 (109) (MLB added a countdown of the 5 greatest teams ever, it said these Yankees were #1)
-Maybe the most famous team ever; There might be a better 1-2 combo someplace in sports history than Ruth/Gehrig in ’27, but it wouldn’t be by much.  They swept the Series and finished 22 pythag wins ahead of the next best AL team. WAR Above 5.0: Combs, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Ruth, Hoyt, Moore (d. Pirates 96)

3. 1942 Cardinals 113 (107)
-Two Cardinals teams battle for the title of best NL team of all time; note both are in the WWII era; Enos Slaughter had his best season in ’42 and was the best player on the club; The Dodgers were also over a hundred pythag wins in ’42, so the distance between they and the Cards was just four games.  The Yanks had a monster pythag also (the Cards beat them in 5) and that might make the ’42 Series the best matchup ever. Musial, Slaughter, Cooper (d. Yankees 112, yeah, this is going to be the best Series ever)

4. 1944 Cardinals 113 (107)

-’44 was Musial and everyone else; the Cards took advantage of the downturn in talent to hold a 23 pythag win advantage in the NL and beat an overmatched Browns in a 6 game WS.  Hopp, Musial, (d. Browns 92)

5. 1909 Pirates 111 (105)
-35 year old Honus Wagner was easily the pacesetter for the ’09 Pirates This is the first team on the list which wasn’t the best in its league during the regular season (the Cubs had 109 pythag wins, same as the ’27 Yanks, but finished 6 and a half games out).  Also the first team on the list who had to go to a seventh game to win the WS.  Clarke, Wagner, Camnitz, Willis (d. Tigers 102, the second series where both clubs were 100 win teams)

6. 1905 NYGiants 111 (105)
-The Giants refused to play the AL Champ in ’04, but gave in here to crack the top 10; this is the first team whose best player was a pitcher (Mathewson, obviously).  New York was only 1 pythag game better than the Cubs, who were extra unlucky, as they finished in 3rd overall 13 games out.  The Giants beat the A’s in the Series; imagine being able to show the fans of each club that 84 years later there would be a rematch with both clubs residing in Northern California.  What would I have to tell you about two current teams playing in 2094 to equal that? Donlin, McGann, Mathewson (d. Athletics 98)

7. 1910 Athletics 111 (103)
- 14 game pythag advantage in the AL and beat a 101 pythag win Cub team in 5 in the WS. Collins, Bender, Coombs,  (d. Cubs 106)

8. 1998 Yankees 108 (MLB agrees with the pythag.  Best team since '61.)
-The best team in modern baseball history, you ask?  The best regular season post WWII WS champion was the ’98 Yankees. The Yanks finished 12 pythag wins up in the AL and swept the Padres in the WS. Brosius, Jeter, O’Neill, Williams, (d. Padres 93)

9. 1948 Indians 108 (104)
-Lou Boudreau’s career season and the best season by anyone on the list so far not named Ruth or Gehrig; they were 7 pythag wins best in the AL and won the WS in 6. Boudreau, Gordon, Keltner, Bearden, Lemon (d. Braves 98)

10. 1937 Yankees 108 (103)
 Gehrig played on 3 of the ten best teams in baseball history.  Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Gomez, Ruffing (d. Giants 94)

11. 1912 Red Sox 108 (102)
 Gardner, Speaker, Collins, O’Brien, Wood (d. Giants 107)

12. 1907 Cubs 108 (102) (MLB says this is the third greatest team ever)
It’s Tinker to Evers to Chance –  (Orvall Overall was their best player).  Brown, Lungren, Overall   (d. Tigers 101)

13. 1936 Yankees 108 (102)
 4 Gehrigs out of 13 teams.  Dickey, Gehrig, Rolfe (d. Giants 93)

14. 1953 Yankees 108 (101)
-A half dozen Yankee teams in the top 15 of all time.  Mantle, (d. Dodgers 110 – the first upset, at 110 real wins that Dodger team is their best team ever and one of the great WS losers ever)  

15. 1917 White Sox 108 (101)
Eddie Cicotte  had the best pitching season on the list thusfar, disgrace still a couple years away.  Collins, Felsch, Jackson, Cicotte (d. Giants 105)

16. 1929 Athletics 108 (100)
Foxx, Grove, Walberg (d. Cubs 100)


17. 2016 Cubs 107 (second best pythag for a WS winner since WW2)
Bryant, Rizzo, Lester, Hendricks (d. Indians 91)

18. 1975 Reds 107 (MLB and me had them second for the half century)
-The best season by any player on the list so far – Joe Morgan’s 1975.  Bench, Morgan, Rose (d. Red Sox 90)

19. 1911 Athletics 106 (99)
-3 A’s teams make the top 20.  Baker, Collins, Bender, Plank (d. Giants 104)

20. 1903 Red Sox 105 (90)
-the first ever WS winner cracks the top 20 of all time. Collins, Dougherty,Parent, Dineen, Young (d. Pirates 92)

21. 1970 Orioles 104 (4th best by MLB, I'd have them 3rd)
-Blair, Powell, Palmer (d. Reds 91)

22. 1947 Yankees 104 (100)
-DiMaggio, Henrich, (d. Dodgers 98)

23. 1932 Yankees 104 (99) (MLB said this was the fifth best team pre 1961)
 8th Yankee team on the list and the fifth Gehrig. Combs, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Ruth, Ruffing (d. Cubs 90)

24. 1976 Reds 103 (8th by MLB, I'd have them as 4th best after '61)
 Foster, Morgan, Rose (d. Yankees 98) 

25. 1968 Tigers 103 (7th by MLB, I'd have them 5th best after '61)
Freehan, Horton, McAuliffe, Northrup, McLain (d. Cards 96)

26. 2018 Red Sox 103 (the Astros team they beat in the ALCS had a 109 win pythag, they would have been the best WS winner since '44)
Betts, Martinez, Sale (d. Dodgers 92)

27. 1986 Mets 103 (5th by MLB, I'd have them 6th)
The top 25 ends with the ’86 Mets.  Hernandez, (d. Red Sox 90)

28. 1961 Yankees 103 (3rd best by MLB, I'd have them 7th)
 Howard, Mantle, Maris, (d. Reds 87 – the first sub 90 WS team on the list)

29. 1956 Yankees 103 (98)
-10 Yankee teams make the Top 30.   Berra, Mantle, McDougald, Ford (d. Dodgers 94)

30. 1908 Cubs 103 (98)
-Three Finger Brown’s (18.4) best season. Evers, Tinker, Brown, (d. Tigers 92)

31. 1935 Tigers 102 (97)
Cochrane, Gehringer, Greenberg, Rogell, (d. Cubs 106 – the second upset on the list and the tenth WS where each team had a hundred real wins)

32. 1954 NYGiants 102 (97)
-The last ever Giants team to win the World Series.  Hah!  Totally untrue!  Totally untrue! (d. Indians 109, a good sized upset for not quite my Giants)  Mays.  Antonelli

33. 1931 Cardinals 102 (97)
Hafey (d. Athletics 103)

34. 1913 Athletics 102 (97)
 Collins;  Home Run Baker.  McInnis, (d. Giants 101)

35. 1920 Indians 102 (97)
 for Speaker Jim Bagby. Coveleski (d. Dodgers 97)

36. 1938 Yankees 102 (97)
Dickey, DiMaggio, Ruffing (d. Cubs 93)

37. 1915 Red Sox 102 (95)
Speaker, (d. Phillies 98)

38. 1971 Pirates 101 (MLB rank #33)
-They beat SFG in the NLDS. Clemente, Stargell, (d. Orioles 105)

39. 2013 Cardinals 101
-Carpenter, Molina, Wainwright.  (d. Red Sox 100)

40. 2002 Angels 101 (MLB rank #26.  Booooo.  Boooooo)
-And they beat SFG in 7 games in the WS. Anderson, Eckstein, Erstad, (d. SFG 98)

41. 2007 Red Sox 101 (MLB picked them #21 post '61)
-Lowell, Ortiz, (d. Rockies 90)

42. 1972 A’s 101 (97) (14th by MLB)

Epstein, Jackson, Rudi, Hunter (d. Reds 98)

43. 1941 Yankees 101 (96)
-DiMaggio’s best season, Gordon, Keller, (d. Dodgers 104)

44. 1958 Yankees 101 (96)
-Mantle. Siebern (d. Braves 96)

45. 1950 Yankees 101 (96)
-3 straight Yankee teams gives them 13 overall thusfar.  Berra, DiMaggio, Rizzuto,   (d. Phillies 91)

46. 1940 Reds 101 (96)
-Frey, McCormick, Werber, Walters (d. Tigers 96)

47. 1921 NYGiants 101 (95)
Bancroft, Frisch, (d. Yankees 101 – the first dead even matchup on the list, the 16th matchup of 2 100 win teams)

48. 1923 Yankees 101 (95)
Ruth’s best year nearly a double MVP season. Pennock (d. Giants 97)

49. 1946 Cardinals 100 (97)
Musial.  Breechen, Kurowski, Slaughter (d. Red Sox 102)

50. 1949 Yankees 100 (95)
DiMaggio, (d. Dodgers 103)

51. 1955 Dodgers 100 (95)
Campanella, Furillo, Snider, (d. Yankees 102, that’s 19 double 100 matchups, can we get one more?)

52. 1928 Yankees 100 (95) (third tiebreak)
Ruth; Gehrig. Pennock (d. Cardinals 98)

53. 1952 Yankees 100 (95)
17 of the top 50 of all time – Yankees. Berra, Mantle, Reynolds (d. Dodgers 99)

54. 1922 NYGiants 100 (95)
Bancroft (d. Yankees 95, that’s it for the 100 win champs – we stick at 19 double 100 win WS)

55. 1977 Yankees 99 (MLB picked them at #25 post 1961)
None (d. Dodgers 101)

56. 1978 Yankees 99 (15th by MLB)
Randolph, Guidry – check out the Yankees, going back-to-back on this all time list. (d. Dodgers 98)

57. 2017 Astros 99
Altuve, Correa, Springer (d. Red Sox 93)

58. 1984 Tigers 99 (6th by MLB)
Gibson, Lemon, (d. Padres 87 – so, how’s this, through these first 53 WS, only two teams have sub 90 win pythags – both Padres teams.)

59. 1951 Yankees 99 (94)
Berra, (d. NYG 96)

60. 1919 Reds 99 (92)
Groh, Roush, (d. White Sox 90)

61. 1981 Dodgers 98 (67)
Valenzuela (d. Yankees 95)

62. 1974 A’s 97 (MLB picked them #24 post '61)
Bando, Campaneris, Jackson, Rudi, Hunter (d. Dodgers 106 – that’s a pretty good sized upset)

63. 1967 Cards 97 (9th by MLB)
Brock, Cepeda, Flood, McCarver, (d. Red Sox 93)

64. 1989 A’s 97 (#16 on MLB Net countdown)
The Earthquake A’s.  The first SFG WS of my lifetime.  It could have gone better.  Henderson, Moore (d. SFG 92)

65. 1925 Pirates 97 (93)
Cuyler, (d. Senators 96)

66. 1957 Braves 97 (93)
Aaron, Mathews, (d. Yankees 103)

67. 1930 A’s 97 (93)
Cochrane, Foxx, Simmons, Grove, (d. Cardinals 98)

68. 1918 Red Sox 97 (76)
Hooper, Ruth, (d. Cubs 104)

69. 2004 Red Sox 96 (MLB took them #19)
Schilling –  two Red Sox teams go back to back on the list.  How about that? (d. Cards 100) 

70. 1999 NYY 96 (11th by MLB).
Jeter, Williams, (d. Braves 98)

71. 1966 Orioles 96
FRobinson (d. Dodgers 97)(#35 on the MLB Countdown)

72. 1983 Orioles 96
Murray, Ripken, McGregor (d. Phillies 88)(#36 on the MLB Countdown)

73. 1973 A’s 96 (MLB took them at #18)
Bando, Jackson, North, Tenace, (d. Mets 83 – the worst WS team yet on the list)

74. 1943 NYY 96 (92)
Gordon, Keller, Chandler (d. Cardinals 106 – a sizeable upset)

75. 1924 Senators 96 (92)
Goslin, Johnson (d. Giants 101)

76. 1960 Pirates 96 (92)
Groat, Hoak, Friend (d. Yankees 93)

77. 1906 White Sox 96 (90, they beat the Cubs – who had a translated pythag of 122 wins; that Cub team is the best team who didn’t win and might be the best team in baseball history.)
Davis, White

78. 1933 NYG 96 (90)
Ott, Hubbell, Schumacher (d. Senators 99)

79. 2019 Nationals 95 
Strasburg, Rendon, Scherzer, Corbin (d. Astros 107)

80. 1979 Pirates 95 (MLB named them #27)
Parker, (d. Orioles 99)

81. 2009 NYY 95 (13th by MLB)
Cano, Jeter, Teixeira,  (d. Phillies 92)   

82. 2001 Arizona 95 (MLB picked them #23 post '61, they picked the Mariners #20)
Gonzalez, Johnson, Schilling  (d. Yankees 90)

83. 1934 Cardinals 95 (90)
Collins, Dean (d. Tigers 103)

84. 1926 Cardinals 95 (90)
None    (d. Yankees 94)                     

85. 1962 NYY 94 (MLB picked them #22 post '61)
Mantle (d. SFG 100 – the greatest SFG team ever; we should have won this one)

86. 1991 Minn 94 (#38 on the MLB list)
Tapani (d. Braves 92)

87. 2010 SFG 94
-We’re Number 83!!  Huff (d. Rangers 91)

88. 1914 Braves 94 (89)
Evers, James, Rudolph (d. Athletics 105, super big upset)

89. 1995 Atlanta 94 (84) (10th by MLB)
Maddux, Glavine (d. Indians 104 MLB named them the 28th best team of the expansion era

90. 2008 Phils 93 (#37 on the MLB countdown)
Utley (d. Rays 92 – the worst WS matchup yet)

91. 1990 Reds 92
Rijo (d. A’s 99)

92. 1965 Dodgers 92 (second tiebreak)
Koufax (d. Twins 100)

93. 1963 Dodgers 92 (#31 on MLB list)
Gilliam, Drysdale, Koufax (d. NYY 100)

94. 1969 Mets 92 (12th by MLB with their 92 real wins.  Stupid)
Agee, Jones, Koosman, Seaver (d. Orioles 110, just a startling upset MLB named them #29 of the expansion era)

95. 1988 Dodgers 91
Gibson, Hershiser (d. A’s 100 MLB named this Oakland team the 34th best all time)

96. 1992 Toronto 91 (MLB ranks #32)
Alomar, White, Guzman (d. Braves 94)

97. 1980 Phils 91
Schmidt, Carlton (d. Royals 92)(ranked, pretty ridiculously, #40 on the MLB Net list)

98. 1993 Toronto 91 (MLB took them 17th)
Alomar, Molitor, Olerud, White  (d. Phillies 93)

99. 2005 CWW 91
Buehrle, Garland (d. Astros 91) (MLB #39; they can't mean the 40 best teams of all time, this has to just be of the TV era, maybe after 1950, this is nuts. As it turns out, it's post '61 teams only).

100. 1916 Red Sox 91 (87)
Ruth (d. Dodgers 96)

101. 1982 Cards 90
Smith, Andujar (d. Brewers 97)

102. 2015 Royals 90
Cain (d. Mets 89)

103. 1945 Tigers 89 (84)
Newhouser (d. Cubs 103 – the first sub 90 win WS winner – and they beat a 100+ winner)

104. 1964 Cards 88
Boyer, Brock, Gibson (d. NYY 98)

105. 2011 Cards 88
Berkman, Pujols (d. Texas 98)

106. 1996 NYY 88
Pettitte, Rivera (d. Atlanta 94)

107. 2012 SFG88
Posey (d. Detroit 87)

108. 1997 Marlins 88
Brown – the Fish are back to back near at the bottom of the list (d. Indians 85 – this is like a SB where both teams are 9-7, just an all time bad matchup for any sport)

109. 2003 Marlins 87
Castillo (d. NYY 96)

110. 2014 Giants 87
Posey (d. KC 84)

111. 1985 Royals 86
Brett, Leibrandt, Saberhagen (d. Cardinals 100, look at the size of that upset)

112. 1959 Dodgers 86 (82)
Moon, Drysdale (d. White Sox 90)

113. 2000 NYY 85
Posada, Williams (d. Mets 88, the only two WS in over a hundred years to match 2 sub 90 win teams, just a few years apart)

114. 2006 StL 82
Pujols, Carpenter (d. Tigers 95)

115. 1987 Minn 79
Viola The only sub .500 winner – of a WS, a SB, or an NBA Title (d. Cardinals 91)


The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players Ever 2011 Ed. #90-81

Tuesday, February 8, 2011

The previous ten is here.


As I'm doing the rankings, I'm keeping two all-time rosters.  The first is the all time roster for career value, it just goes straight off this list:

C Berra (Fisk)
1B Murray (McCovey)
2B Alomar (Biggio)
SS Jeter (Banks)
3B Santo (Robinson)
LF Clarke (Burkett)
CF Hamilton (Snider)
RF Sheffield (Walker)
RHP Drysdale (Rivera, Smoltz, Eckersley, Keefe, Schilling, Radbourn)
LHP Hubbell (Newhouser)

And the second is more subjective, where as opposed to looking at career value I'm picking the best baseball players, less a cumulative award and more "if I were picking a team" lineup.  That's this:

C Berra (Piazza)
1B McGwire (McCovey)
2B Robinson (Kent)
SS Banks (Jeter)
3B Santo (Allen)
LF Jackson (Stargell)
CF Hamilton (Snider)
RF Flick (Sheffield)
RHP Rivera (Walsh, Feller, Marichal, Halladay, Smoltz, Schilling)
LHP Hubbell (Newhouser)









90. Jim Edmonds CF (WARP +B-R WAR) 143.1
1993-
Angels/Cardinals
OPS+ 132
Translated BA/OBP/SLG  .285/.376/.523
MVPQ 2004 (17.7)



I don't know if Edmonds winds up playing in 2010, but if somehow he has the same value next year as he did in 2010, he'd move to 80 all time (except he wouldn't, because this is a section for active players with more left in the tank than Edmonds).  Edmonds takes Billy Hamilton's starting CF spot on the all time career value team, knocking Duke Snider off the roster.  On my subjective team, Hamilton keeps the job as his value was concentrated into fewer seasons...and it's close, look at Edmonds translated slugging, he had more bat than you think and obviously that glove was extra strong.  I'm going to stick with Snider for the same reason I stayed with Hamilton, but Edmonds is right there with the Duke.  






89. Jim Thome  1B/DH 143.5
1991-
Indians
OPS+ 147
.273/.400/.550
MVPQ (none), Best season 2002 (14.9)

Here's what's up - Thome had a big 2010, and it seems unlikely he repeats it in 2011, but if he does, he ends the year, wait for it, the 68th best baseball player of all time.  On the all time lineup, he takes over for Eddie Murray as the starting first baseman, bumping my guy McCovey off the roster.  On the subjective lineup, he's got to deal with Mark McGwire, who just had too much bat.  McCovey is a really good comparison, their OPS+ is the same, they played the same number of years, it's maybe 51/49 for the incumbent based on McCovey's MVPQ season.   I'll keep my guy Stretch.  But it's close - Jim Thome's a Hall of Famer.  




88. Johnny Mize 1B 143.8 
1936-53
Cardinals/Giants/Yankees
OPS+ 158
.307/.393/.632
MVPQ none Best season 1948 (15.2)

Got his peak in before WWII took away his early 30s.  Had he 3 representative seasons in that stretch he'd be in the top 40 of all time.  He and then Thome become the first basemen now on the all time team.  McGwire has better numbers, not by a lot, but better - I'm going with Mize though given the three missed seasons, bumping McGwire to backup and (sadly) taking McCovey off the team.  





87. Manny Ramirez LF/RF 143.8
1993-
Indians/Red Sox
OPS+ 155
.305/.406/.572
MVPQ 1999 (16.1)

If you're playing along at home, you know what gives me the feelings, the special feelings that a man sometimes gets for translated baseball statistics - a .300/.400/.500 slashline.  Here's everyone who has one thusfar:

Will Clark
Jackie Robinson
Dick Allen
Joe Jackson (3/4/6)
Elmer Flick
Gary Sheffield
Edgar Martinez

And now Manny.  He and Sheff are almost identical, Manny a tick better.  I wouldn't imagine he plays more than a "we got shorthanded, what do we do now" inning in the field for the Rays in 2011, so any value he has left has to come from the bat.  But if his 2011 is as valuable as his 2010, he just slips into the Top 75.   Manny goes to LF on the all time list, moving Fred Clarke to the bench and Jesse Burkett off the roster.  On the subjective list, he bumps Stargell off the roster and now backs up Joe Jackson. 




86. Pedro Martinez RHP 144.5
1992-2009
Red Sox
ERA+ 154
MVPQ 1997 (16 Expos), 1999 (16.8), 2000 (20.2)

Hey, look Red Sox Nation - Manny and Pedro, for at least one more season, back to back on the all time list.  Pedro is the new top RHP of all time, it bumps Hoss Radbourn off the roster.  On the subjective/peak list, Pedro bumps Schilling off the roster, and now the question is where to slot him.  That ERA+ goes by everyone but Rivera - and that's the game we're going to play - does Rivera's 50 points of adjusted ERA overcome the innings disparity?  I'm going to say yes.  Similar to the Walsh analysis, Pedro's a guy with a very good peak, lots of MVPQ seasons, and almost 3x the number of innings pitched as Rivera - but that ERA+ is the truth.  I totally get a counterargument, I do.  But I'm going with the closer.  



85. Scott Rolen 3B 144.8
1996-
Phillies/Cardinals
OPS+ 124
.287/.373/.507
MVPQ 2004 (18.3) 

A good bat, a better glove - and here's Scott Rolen, bumping Santo to backup 3B on the all time roster.  A duplicate of his 2010 would move Rolen into the better end of the Top 60.  Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer.  Was he as good as Santo?     I'm going to say yes, the career offensive numbers are identical, Santo had a better bat based on peak - but Rolen edges him out with the glove.  I'll say Scott Rolen is the new best 3B on the list, bumping Santo to backup, and, with a heavy heart, knocking Dick Allen from the roster.



84. Alan Trammell  SS 145
1977-96
Tigers
OPS+ 110
.298/.365/.453
MVPQ 1987 (18.4)

On the all time roster, Trammell goes by Jeter, at least for now, and bumps Banks off the list.  On the subjective list, it's still Banks and Jeter, Trammell's defensive advantage (and yes, he had a better glove than Jeter) not enough to get by the bats.  



83. John Clarkson RHP 145.3
1882-94
Cubs/Braves
ERA+ 134
MVPQ 1885 (23.1), 1887 (22.9), 1889 (27.3), 1891 (16.4)

Clarkson hit too, but all of the value is with the arm; as I've mentioned before, the 19th century players are overvalued, but Clarkson really was a very good pitcher.  He slides on top of the career list, knocking Schilling off that roster.  On the subjective/peak list - he goes in between Feller and Marichal, which bumps Smoltz from the roster.  



82. Robin Yount SS/CF 145.4
1974-93
Brewers
OPS+ 115
.300/.359/.481
MVPQ 1982 (21.1)

That's a helluva season.  It adds Yount to the list of the 20+ WAR/WARP seasons, 20th century version:

Sosa 2001 (22.5)
Feller 1946 (21.3)
Marichal 1966 (20.6)
Robinson 1951 (21.7)
Walsh 1908 (22.5)
Walsh 1910 (22.1)
Walsh 1912 (22.2)
Boudreau 1948 (22.6)
Banks 1959 (21.2)
 Santo 1967 (20.5)
Biggio 1997 (20.3)

Yount and Trammell are now the career value shortstops, and just like Trammell, he can't crack the Banks/Jeter subjective/peak/who would I pick list.  




81. Luke Appling SS 145.4
1930-50
White Sox
OPS+ 113
.308/.386/.422
MVPQ 1943 (16.1)

Appling's career year was '43, when he was 36 years old - he lost the next year for the war.  At 37 years old.  Bet he loved seeing Boudreau stay in Cleveland.  Appling/Yount leave this section as the career value shortstops, neither make the subjective squad.

So, here's where we stand:

Career value:
C Berra (Fisk)
1B Mize (Thome)
2B Alomar (Biggio)
SS Appling (Yount)
3B Rolen (Santo)
LF Ramirez (Clarke)
CF Edmonds (Hamilton)
RF Sheffield (Walker)
RHP Clarkson (Martinez, Drysdale, Rivera, Smoltz, Eckersley, Keefe,)
LHP Hubbell (Newhouser)

Subjective/Peak/Who would you pick?

C Berra (Piazza)
1B Mize (McGwire)
2B Robinson (Kent)
SS Banks (Jeter)
3B Rolen (Santo)
LF Jackson (Ramirez)
CF Hamilton (Snider)
RF Flick (Sheffield)
RHP Rivera (Martinez, Walsh, Feller, Clarkson, Marichal, Halladay, )
LHP Hubbell (Newhouser)


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