I'm 85-76-4 on the season.
KSt -10.5 ISt.(loss)
Texas +2.5 Baylor(loss)
MTenn +5.5 NTex(loss)
Ok St. -3.5 OK(win)
1-3, 86-79-4
The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players of All Time, 2012 Ed. 51-60
Tuesday, November 29, 2011
51. Mike Mussina RHP 1991-08 Orioles/Yankees
82
ERA+123
264-186
MVPQ=none
IP=3550
82
ERA+123
264-186
MVPQ=none
IP=3550
52. Carl Yastrzemski LF/1B Red Sox 1961-83
81.75
OPS+129
.284/.374/.468
Elite=1968
Inner Circle=1967
PA=14,000
53. George Brett 3B Royals 1973-93
81.6
OPS+135
.306/.374/.506
MVPQ=1979,
Elite=1980
PA=11,600
PA=14,000
53. George Brett 3B Royals 1973-93
81.6
OPS+135
.306/.374/.506
MVPQ=1979,
Elite=1980
PA=11,600
54. Ferguson Jenkins RHP Cubs 1965-83 Cubs/Rangers
81.15
ERA+115
269-211
Elite=1971
IP=4500
55.Chipper Jones 3B Braves 1993-
80.5
OPS+141
.308/.406/.530
MVPQ=none
PA=10,160
56.Ozzie Smith SS Cardinals 1978-96
79.9
OPS+87
.279/.356/.360
MVPQ=none
PA=10,800
57.Pedro Martinez RHP Red Sox/Expos/Mets 1992-09
79.55
ERA+154
231-121
MVPQ=1997
Elite=1999
Inner Circle=2000
IP=2820
58. Joe DiMaggio CF Yankees 1936-51 Yankees
79.5
OPS+155
.317/.383/.631
MVPQ=1939, 1948
Elite=1937, 1941
PA=7670
59.Frank Thomas White Sox 1990-08 DH/1B
78.45
OPS+156
.303/.423/.567
MVPQ=1991
PA=10,070
60.Bill Dahlen SS 1891-11 Colts/Superbas
78.45
OPS+109
.256/.348/.430
MVPQ=none
PA=10,400
Frank's the new backup on the B team, his total value gets him by Greenberg, he and Bagwell are a good fight for the starting spot. Neither Ozzie nor Dahlen has the bat to make either squad. Chipper beats out Brett, and they both beat out Allen/Santo to take over the A team's third base spot. The career value disparity really should put Yaz above Jackson as the backup left fielder, but Shoeless Joe was a significantly better player per game and Yaz becomes the new starter for the B team. DiMaggio cruises into center field for the A team. Jenkins isn't going to make either team, Mussina slides in after Schilling on the B team. And Pedro...he's the new best pitcher of all time. That gives the B team 24, with only a backup CF missing, so I'll throw in Rose.
Team One
C Bench
Piazza
Piazza
1B Mize
McGwire
2B Robinson
Grich
SS Vaughan
Banks
Banks
3B Jones
Brett
Brett
LF Delahanty
Jackson
CF DiMaggio
Hamilton
Hamilton
RF Ramirez
Heilmann
P Martinez
Walsh
Walsh
Rivera
Hubbell(L)
Clarkson
Newhouser(L)
Feller
Halladay
Uti Caruthers
Team 2
C Dickey
Carter
1B Bagwell
Greenberg
2B Gehringer
Carew
SS Boudreau
Larkin
Larkin
3B Allen
Santo
LF Yastrzemski
Flick
CF Edmonds
Rose
RF Waner
Clemente
P Marichal
Brown
Brown
Schilling
Mussina
Mussina
Ford
Drysdale
Drysdale
Palmer
Smoltz
Smoltz
DH Martinez
The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players of All Time, 2012 Ed. 61-70
Monday, November 28, 2011
The previous ten is here.
61.Eddie Plank 1901-17 LHP Athletics
78.2
ERA+122
258-164
MVPQ=none
IP=4500
61.Eddie Plank 1901-17 LHP Athletics
78.2
ERA+122
258-164
MVPQ=none
IP=4500
62. Arky Vaughan SS Pirates 1932-48
77.55
.312/.412/.507
OPS+136
MVPQ=1938
Elite=1935
PA=7720
63. Pete Rose 1963-86 Reds/Phillies Uti
77.4
OPS+118
.311/.387/.443
MVPQ=none
PA=15,860
64.Jeff Bagwell 1B Astros 1991-05
77.05
OPS+149
.303/.414/.562
MVPQ=1996
Elite=1994
PA=9400
65. Charlie Gehringer 2B Tigers 1924-42
76.75
OPS+124
.294/.374/.476
MVPQ=1936, 1937
Elite=1934
PA=10,200
66. Ivan Rodriguez C 1991- Rangers/Tigers
76.5
OPS+106
.293/.332/.456
MVPQ=none
PA=10,270
67. Roberto Clemente RF 1955-72
75.9
OPS+130
.330/.376/.513
MVPQ=none
PA=10,200
68. Johnny Bench C 1967-83 Reds
75.9
OPS+126
.276/.352/.521
MVPQ=1974
Elite=1972
PA=8700
69. Paul Waner RF Pirates 1926-45
75.4
OPS+134
.318/.399/.502
MVPQ=none
PA=10,760
70. Robin Yount 1974-93 Brewers SS/CF
75.2
OPS+115
.291/.351/.453
Inner Circle=1982
PA=12,250
The last two catchers are here; Bench's cumulative value sticks him past Piazza's bat (Mike Piazza=the second best catcher in baseball history). Pudge's bat isn't good enough to get him on either team. Bagwell challenges at first - pretty clearly he's the new starter for the B team, given his big value advantage over Greenberg. Gehringer's the new starter for the B team, I considered his value advantage over Robinson, but Jackie's per game advantage is still the big disparity between them. Vaughan/Yount are on the board for shortstop - look at Vaughan's bat and per game value, he blows by Banks and is the new best shortstop we've seen. Yount's not going to make it. Waner and Clemente are highly comparable, there's almost no distance between them; I'll say they're the new B teamers in right. Neither Rose or Plank makes it.
Team One
C Bench
Piazza
Piazza
1B Mize
McGwire
2B Robinson
Grich
SS Vaughan
Banks
Banks
3B Allen
Santo
LF Delahanty
Jackson
CF Hamilton
Edmonds
RF Ramirez
Heilmann
P Walsh
Rivera
Hubbell(L)
Clarkson
Newhouser(L)
Feller
Halladay
Marichal
Uti Caruthers
Team 2
C Dickey
Carter
1B Bagwell
Greenberg
2B Gehringer
Carew
SS Boudreau
Larkin
Larkin
3B Rolen
Molitor
LF Flick
RF Waner
Clemente
P Brown
Schilling
Ford
Drysdale
Drysdale
Palmer
Smoltz
Smoltz
DH Martinez
Athlete of the Month, November 2011
October is here.
Matt Barkley. Runners up: Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Robert Griffin
11 months down. There's a bit of a horse race for Athlete of the Year; I had in mind a winner for the past few months, but after this month, I've moved someone else in the lead spot. Here are the first 11 nominees:
Nick Fairley
Aaron Rodgers
Kemba Walker
Danielle Adams
Dirk Nowitzki
Rory McIlroy
Novak Djokovic
Justin Verlander
Cliff Lee
David Freese
Matt Barkley
SI comes out with its Sportsman of the Year at the top of December; my choice won't be influenced by that choice. I like to wait until I have a December winner, and usually look to find a December winner sometime around the third week of the month. At that point, I'll also list each Athlete of the Year since 1990, as that's how long I've been doing this continuous exercise.
Matt Barkley. Runners up: Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Robert Griffin
11 months down. There's a bit of a horse race for Athlete of the Year; I had in mind a winner for the past few months, but after this month, I've moved someone else in the lead spot. Here are the first 11 nominees:
Nick Fairley
Aaron Rodgers
Kemba Walker
Danielle Adams
Dirk Nowitzki
Rory McIlroy
Novak Djokovic
Justin Verlander
Cliff Lee
David Freese
Matt Barkley
SI comes out with its Sportsman of the Year at the top of December; my choice won't be influenced by that choice. I like to wait until I have a December winner, and usually look to find a December winner sometime around the third week of the month. At that point, I'll also list each Athlete of the Year since 1990, as that's how long I've been doing this continuous exercise.
The Weekly Tendown November 20-26 2011
Sunday, November 27, 2011
Dear Internet:
The thumb belongs to the 44th President of the United States; the note was written by one of the Occupy groups. The 99% tells truth to power.
Here's Tendown 103. 102 is here.
1. Tax Cuts
From the Citizens for Tax Justice consider the following:
The Bush tax cuts, extended last December, resulted in an average 2011 tax savings of 66 grand per household for the top 1% of income earners in the US.
For the other 99%, the savings was a little less than 1500 bucks.
The average household income for that 99% is 58 grand (I'm below average). This means that, in the United States in 2011, the tax cuts for the average household in the top 1% are more than the income for the average household in the 99%. If you make less than 66 grand, that's the position you and I are both in.
That's why, in Michael Moore's 10 point policy proposal this week, ending the Bush tax cuts comes first:
A Proposal for Occupy Wall Street
Submitted by Michael Moore
2. Or You Could Take Mitt Romney's Policy Plan
He pledges not to put money in people's pockets.
Apparently he forgot that corporations are people, as his economic plan would include a 6.6 trillion dollar tax cut.
3. Working America's Wealth
More important than income is wealth. Here's a briefing paper from the Economic Policy Institute.
• The wealthiest 1% of U.S. households had net worth that was 225 times greater than the median or typical household’s
net worth in 2009. This is the highest ratio on record.
•The median net worth of black households was $2,200 in 2009, the lowest ever recorded; the median among white
households was $97,900.
4. Remember, it's Not About Race
Michelle Obama got booed at a NASCAR event. You know, like Laura Bush always got booed by left leaning sports fans. Booing first ladies is a time honored American tradition. When she threw out the first ball in an 1882 game between the Worcester Ruby Legs and Wilmington Quick Steps, Ellen Arthur was so roundly jeered over Standard Oil's control of 90+% of the nation's oil market "you're nothing but a Dollymop, madame" that she had to be escorted from the diamond by future Hall of Famer John Clarkson. The two began a torrid affair foreshadowing Mickey Mantle's notorious decade long dalliance with Bess Truman.
Rush Limbaugh explained the NASCAR fans curious (and maybe singular) reaction to a first lady by saying that Michelle Obama was, wait for it, uppity.
Not at all about race. Not at all.
5. They Don't Want Small Government
Megyn Kelly, physically flawless water carrier for authoritarianism, dismissed last week's pepper spraying of Occupy protesters, it's a food product, essentially.
Better than that is this Pepper Spraying Cop tumblr.
6. If You Have Children.
My Ladygal picked up a nice writeup for one of her many projects this week. This one geared to parents of young children. Consider forwarding the link to someone who might order one or a dozen and one.
7. Happy Thanksgiving.
Pick whichever video most suits you.
The Chinese dog who won't leave his owner's grave.
or
The Little Rock Walmart Waffle Maker Riot.
8. Who You Should Be Following on Twitter
The cast and crew of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
9. Moratorium
Let's shut down two things this week.
-the phrase, "brother from another mother." Hermain Cain's shoutout to Batman villains the Koch Brothers needs to be the point where we leave brother from another mother behind.
-and advertising the start of a television series over a month away.
Hell no, Bravo. Once we pass December 2 we can talk. But it wasn't even Thanksgiving and you were pimping your 2012 lineup. Absolutely not.
10. USC 50 UCLA 0
No matter who plays LSU in the title game, you won't see the two best teams in the country.
That's all for this time. I'll be back next time. If there is a next time...
Your pal,
Jim
The thumb belongs to the 44th President of the United States; the note was written by one of the Occupy groups. The 99% tells truth to power.
Here's Tendown 103. 102 is here.
1. Tax Cuts
From the Citizens for Tax Justice consider the following:
The Bush tax cuts, extended last December, resulted in an average 2011 tax savings of 66 grand per household for the top 1% of income earners in the US.
For the other 99%, the savings was a little less than 1500 bucks.
The average household income for that 99% is 58 grand (I'm below average). This means that, in the United States in 2011, the tax cuts for the average household in the top 1% are more than the income for the average household in the 99%. If you make less than 66 grand, that's the position you and I are both in.
That's why, in Michael Moore's 10 point policy proposal this week, ending the Bush tax cuts comes first:
A Proposal for Occupy Wall Street
Submitted by Michael Moore
1. Eradicate the Bush tax cuts for the rich and institute new taxes on the wealthiest Americans and on corporations, including a tax on all trading on Wall Street (where they currently pay 0%).
2. Assess a penalty tax on any corporation that moves American jobs to other countries when that company is already making profits in America. Our jobs are the most important national treasure and they cannot be removed from the country simply because someone wants to make more money.
3. Require that all Americans pay the same Social Security tax on all of their earnings (normally, the middle class pays about 6% of their income to Social Security; someone making $1 million a year pays about 0.6% (or 90% less than the average person). This law would simply make the rich pay what everyone else pays.
4. Reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act, placing serious regulations on how business is conducted by Wall Street and the banks.
5. Investigate the Crash of 2008, and bring to justice those who committed any crimes.
6. Reorder our nation's spending priorities (including the ending of all foreign wars and their cost of over $2 billion a week). This will re-open libraries, reinstate band and art and civics classes in our schools, fix our roads and bridges and infrastructure, wire the entire country for 21st century internet, and support scientific research that improves our lives.
7. Join the rest of the free world and create a single-payer, free and universal health care system that covers allAmericans all of the time.
8. Immediately reduce carbon emissions that are destroying the planet and discover ways to live without the oil that will be depleted and gone by the end of this century.
9. Require corporations with more than 10,000 employees to restructure their board of directors so that 50% of its members are elected by the company’s workers. We can never have a real democracy as long as most people have no say in what happens at the place they spend most of their time: their job. (For any U.S. businesspeople freaking out at this idea because you think workers can't run a successful company: Germany has a law like this and it has helped to make Germany the world’s leading manufacturing exporter.)
10. We, the people, must pass three constitutional amendments that will go a long way toward fixing the core problems we now have. These include:
a) A constitutional amendment that fixes our broken electoral system by 1) completely removing campaign contributions from the political process; 2) requiring all elections to be publicly financed; 3) moving election day to the weekend to increase voter turnout; 4) making all Americans registered voters at the moment of their birth; 5) banning computerized voting and requiring that all elections take place on paper ballots.
b) A constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. This amendment should also state that the interests of the general public and society must always come before the interests of corporations.
c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.
2. Or You Could Take Mitt Romney's Policy Plan
He pledges not to put money in people's pockets.
Apparently he forgot that corporations are people, as his economic plan would include a 6.6 trillion dollar tax cut.
3. Working America's Wealth
More important than income is wealth. Here's a briefing paper from the Economic Policy Institute.
• The wealthiest 1% of U.S. households had net worth that was 225 times greater than the median or typical household’s
net worth in 2009. This is the highest ratio on record.
•The median net worth of black households was $2,200 in 2009, the lowest ever recorded; the median among white
households was $97,900.
4. Remember, it's Not About Race
Michelle Obama got booed at a NASCAR event. You know, like Laura Bush always got booed by left leaning sports fans. Booing first ladies is a time honored American tradition. When she threw out the first ball in an 1882 game between the Worcester Ruby Legs and Wilmington Quick Steps, Ellen Arthur was so roundly jeered over Standard Oil's control of 90+% of the nation's oil market "you're nothing but a Dollymop, madame" that she had to be escorted from the diamond by future Hall of Famer John Clarkson. The two began a torrid affair foreshadowing Mickey Mantle's notorious decade long dalliance with Bess Truman.
Rush Limbaugh explained the NASCAR fans curious (and maybe singular) reaction to a first lady by saying that Michelle Obama was, wait for it, uppity.
Not at all about race. Not at all.
5. They Don't Want Small Government
Megyn Kelly, physically flawless water carrier for authoritarianism, dismissed last week's pepper spraying of Occupy protesters, it's a food product, essentially.
Better than that is this Pepper Spraying Cop tumblr.
6. If You Have Children.
My Ladygal picked up a nice writeup for one of her many projects this week. This one geared to parents of young children. Consider forwarding the link to someone who might order one or a dozen and one.
7. Happy Thanksgiving.
Pick whichever video most suits you.
The Chinese dog who won't leave his owner's grave.
or
The Little Rock Walmart Waffle Maker Riot.
8. Who You Should Be Following on Twitter
The cast and crew of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
9. Moratorium
Let's shut down two things this week.
-the phrase, "brother from another mother." Hermain Cain's shoutout to Batman villains the Koch Brothers needs to be the point where we leave brother from another mother behind.
-and advertising the start of a television series over a month away.
Hell no, Bravo. Once we pass December 2 we can talk. But it wasn't even Thanksgiving and you were pimping your 2012 lineup. Absolutely not.
10. USC 50 UCLA 0
No matter who plays LSU in the title game, you won't see the two best teams in the country.
That's all for this time. I'll be back next time. If there is a next time...
Your pal,
Jim
The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players of All Time, 2012 Ed. 71-80
Saturday, November 26, 2011
The previous ten is here.
71. Jim Thome 1991- 1B Indians
74.85
OPS+ 147
.273/.398/.547
MVPQ=none
PA=10,100
72. John Smoltz RHP Braves 1988-09
74.8
ERA+125
240-173, 137sv
MVPQ=none
IP=3470
71. Jim Thome 1991- 1B Indians
74.85
OPS+ 147
.273/.398/.547
MVPQ=none
PA=10,100
72. John Smoltz RHP Braves 1988-09
74.8
ERA+125
240-173, 137sv
MVPQ=none
IP=3470
73. Bobby Grich 2B 1970-86 Angels/Orioles
74.7
OPS+ 125
.273/.379/.463
MVPQ=1973, 1975,
PA=8200
74.7
OPS+ 125
.273/.379/.463
MVPQ=1973, 1975,
PA=8200
74. Barry Larkin SS Reds 1986-04
74.45
OPS+116
.298/.376/.458
MVPQ=none
PA=9050
74.45
OPS+116
.298/.376/.458
MVPQ=none
PA=9050
75. Ed Delahanty 1888-03 Phillies LF
73.85
OPS+152
.323/.395/.565
MVPQ=1893, 1896, 1899
PA=8400
73.85
OPS+152
.323/.395/.565
MVPQ=1893, 1896, 1899
PA=8400
76. Don Sutton RHP 1966-88 Dodgers
73.65
ERA+108
311-261
MVPQ=none
IP=5300
73.65
ERA+108
311-261
MVPQ=none
IP=5300
77. Paul Molitor 1977-98 Brewers 3B/2B
73.1
OPS+122
.309/.374/.463
MVPQ=none
PA=12,160
73.1
OPS+122
.309/.374/.463
MVPQ=none
PA=12,160
78. Frankie Frisch 2B Cardinals/Giants 1919-37
72.4
OPS+110
.293/.356/.437
Elite=1927
PA=10,100
72.4
OPS+110
.293/.356/.437
Elite=1927
PA=10,100
79. Don Drysdale RHP Dodgers 1956-69
72.25
ERA+ 121
215-148
Elite=1964
IP=3430
80. Tony Gwynn RF Padres 1982-01
72.25
ERA+ 121
215-148
Elite=1964
IP=3430
80. Tony Gwynn RF Padres 1982-01
72.15
OPS+132
.353/.405/.491
MVPQ=1987
PA=10,200
We start at first with Thome; he's going to back up Greenberg on the B team. Then Grich/Frisch, note the former was significantly better than the latter. Grich was also better than Rod Carew, the bat wasn't quite as good, the top end not quite as good, but more value in fewer plate appearances means Grich had both a better career and was better per game. He's the new backup on the A team; Frisch won't make either team. Larkin's close to Boudreau, but I'll say instead he's the new starter for the B team. There's a B team backup third base opening for Molitor. Delahanty and Gwynn are challengers for the corners. Delahanty's the new starter in left; per game, he isn't Joe Jackson, but Ed's 16 more wins is the biggest disparity between them. Gwynn's the new B team backup in right. Drysdale/Smoltz, in that order, look for rotation spots (Sutton isn't a contender). Drysdale's gonna slip in ahead of Palmer, Smoltz after, both on the B team.
70 players to go.
Team 2
C Carter
1B Greenberg
Thome
2B Carew
3B Rolen
Molitor
LF Flick
RF Sheffield
DH Martinez
OPS+132
.353/.405/.491
MVPQ=1987
PA=10,200
We start at first with Thome; he's going to back up Greenberg on the B team. Then Grich/Frisch, note the former was significantly better than the latter. Grich was also better than Rod Carew, the bat wasn't quite as good, the top end not quite as good, but more value in fewer plate appearances means Grich had both a better career and was better per game. He's the new backup on the A team; Frisch won't make either team. Larkin's close to Boudreau, but I'll say instead he's the new starter for the B team. There's a B team backup third base opening for Molitor. Delahanty and Gwynn are challengers for the corners. Delahanty's the new starter in left; per game, he isn't Joe Jackson, but Ed's 16 more wins is the biggest disparity between them. Gwynn's the new B team backup in right. Drysdale/Smoltz, in that order, look for rotation spots (Sutton isn't a contender). Drysdale's gonna slip in ahead of Palmer, Smoltz after, both on the B team.
70 players to go.
Team One
C Piazza
Dickey
1B Mize
McGwire
2B Robinson
Grich
SS Banks
Boudreau
3B Allen
Santo
LF Delahanty
Jackson
CF Hamilton
Edmonds
RF Ramirez
Heilmann
P Walsh
Rivera
Hubbell(L)
Clarkson
Newhouser(L)
Feller
Halladay
Marichal
Uti Caruthers
Team 2
C Carter
1B Greenberg
Thome
2B Carew
Gordon
SS Larkin
Trammell
Trammell
3B Rolen
Molitor
LF Flick
RF Sheffield
Gwynn
P Brown
Schilling
Ford
Drysdale
Drysdale
Palmer
Smoltz
Smoltz
DH Martinez
The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players of All Time, 2012 Ed. 81-90
Friday, November 25, 2011
The previous ten is here.
81. Gary Carter C 1974-92 Expos/Mets
71.95
OPS+115
.270/.346/.483
MVPQ=1982
PA=9000
81. Gary Carter C 1974-92 Expos/Mets
71.95
OPS+115
.270/.346/.483
MVPQ=1982
PA=9000
82. Luke Appling SS 1930-50 White Sox
71.95
OPS+113
.307/.385/.420
MVPQ=none
PA=10,200
71.95
OPS+113
.307/.385/.420
MVPQ=none
PA=10,200
83. Rod Carew 2B/1B 1967-85 Twins/Angels
71.7
OPS+131
.334/.440/.447
Elite=1977
PA=10,550
71.7
OPS+131
.334/.440/.447
Elite=1977
PA=10,550
84. Curt Schilling RHP 1988-07 Phillies/DBacks/Red Sox
71.55
ERA+ 128
238-156
MVPQ=none
IP=3260
71.55
ERA+ 128
238-156
MVPQ=none
IP=3260
85. Kevin Brown RHP 1986-05 Rangers/Dodgers
70.7
ERA+127
232-155
MVPQ=1996, 1998
IP=3250
70.7
ERA+127
232-155
MVPQ=1996, 1998
IP=3250
86. Lou Whitaker 2B Tigers 1977-95
70.5
OPS+116
.282/.369/.444
MVPQ=none
PA=9960
70.5
OPS+116
.282/.369/.444
MVPQ=none
PA=9960
87. Alan Trammell SS Tigers 1977-96
70.35
OPS+110
.289/.357/.425
MVPQ=1987,
PA=9370
70.35
OPS+110
.289/.357/.425
MVPQ=1987,
PA=9370
88. Johnny Mize 1B 1936-53 Cardinals/Giants/Yankees
70.25
OPS+158
.305/.392/.624
MVPQ=none
PA=7370
70.25
OPS+158
.305/.392/.624
MVPQ=none
PA=7370
89. Gary Sheffield RF 1988-09 Marlins/Dodgers/Brewers/Yankees
69.45
OPS+140
.295/.398/.532
MVPQ=none
PA=10,950
69.45
OPS+140
.295/.398/.532
MVPQ=none
PA=10,950
90. Scott Rolen 3B 1996- Phillies/Cardinals
69.35
OPS+ 123
.284/.369/.503
Elite=2004
69.35
OPS+ 123
.284/.369/.503
Elite=2004
So, who joins our teams from these groups? Carter can't crack the A team; he's 10 career wins above Piazza/Dickey and that's a hard number to pass up, but they both outhit him and he had a couple thousand more plate appearances than Dickey. Pretty soon, the cumulative value of guys like Carter will force their way past guys who were better per game. Carter's the starter on the B squad. Mize is the new best first baseman; he's the same player as McGwire/Greenberg but with more career value. Two second base candidates, Carew and Whitaker (and Whitaker/Trammell going back to back on the all time career value list justifies all the hours spent putting this together). Carew joins the first team, going by Gordon and now backs up Robinson, Whitaker isn't going to quite make the B team.
Trammell and Appling go right to the B team and in that order, Rolen goes to the B team. Sheffield's the new starter in right on the B team. Brown and Schilling are interesting; they might not feel like the same guy, but they were the same guy, with Brown being just a tick better, they are closer to Marichal than you might think, but they're both going to the B team.
Team One
C Piazza
Dickey
1B Mize
McGwire
2B Robinson
Carew
SS Banks
Boudreau
3B Allen
Santo
LF Jackson
Flick
CF Hamilton
Edmonds
RF Ramirez
Heilmann
P Walsh
Rivera
Hubbell(L)
Clarkson
Newhouser(L)
Feller
Halladay
Marichal
Uti Caruthers
Team 2
C Carter
1B Greenberg
2B Gordon
Kent
SS Trammell
Appling
3B Rolen
RF Sheffield
Medwick
P Brown
Schilling
Ford
Palmer
DH Martinez
The 200 Greatest Major League Baseball Players of All Time, 2012 Ed. 91-100
Thursday, November 24, 2011
The Previous ten is here.
91. Jim Edmonds 1993-2010 CF Cardinals/Angels
69.35
OPS+131
.285/.375/.522
MVPQ=none
PA=8000
91. Jim Edmonds 1993-2010 CF Cardinals/Angels
69.35
OPS+131
.285/.375/.522
MVPQ=none
PA=8000
92. Tim Raines 1979-2002 LF Expos/White Sox
69.1
OPS+123
.307/.400/.468
MVPQ=none
PA=10,350
93. Robby Alomar 2B 1988-04 Blue Jays/Indians/Padres/Orioles
69.05
OPS+116
.305/.377/.450
MVPQ=none
PA=10,400
94. Edgar Martinez DH Mariners 1987-04
68.95
OPS+147
.311/.417/.526
MVPQ=none
PA=8670
95. Manny Ramirez LF/RF 1993-2011 Indians/Red Sox
68.75
OPS+154
.304/.405/.569
MVPQ=none
PA=9770
96. Jeff Kent 2B 1992-08 Giants/Mets/Dodgers
68.6
OPS+123
.292/.359/.512
MVPQ=2000
PA=9500
97. Ron Santo 3B Cubs 1960-74
68.3
OPS+125
.280/.370/.490
MVPQ=1964, 1966,
Elite=1967
PA=9400
98. Craig Biggio 2B Astros 1988-07
68.15
OPS+111
.286/.368/.460
Inner circle=1997
PA=12,500
99. Carl Hubbell LHP 1928-43 Giants
67.8
ERA+130
226-156
MVPQ=1932
Elite=1933, 1936
IP=3600
100. Fred Clarke LF 1894-15 Pirates
67.5
OPS+132
.299/.379/.493
MVPQ=none
PA=9800
At this point, I'll now keep two all time rosters, looking to wind up with 2 teams of 25 who could meet in an all time series. This is a big section for second basemen; I'm pretty comfortable ranking them Kent/Biggio/Alomar. None of them goes by Robinson; I don't think they go by Gordon either. The career value difference is real at this point, Kent's 10 wins better than Gordon, but in 3,000 more plate appearances. Everything else squares up; I'll take Gordon's per game value over Kent's longevity. That makes Kent/Biggio the first members of the second team.
We've got 3 corner outfielders in this section; rank them Ramirez/Clarke/Raines. Jackson and Flick keep hold of left field over all 3, but Manny edges out Heilmann to become the new starter in right. Medwick and Crawford go to the B team when Edmonds moves in as the backup in center. Santo also joins the team, but Dick Allen's bat keeps him out of the starting lineup. That's gonna push Palmer to the B team, as I'm unwilling to lose Caruthers yet. Edgar goes to the B team. Hubbell's the new third best pitcher on the A team, kicking Ford to the B team.
90 players left. Here are your all time MLB squads.
Team One
C Piazza
Dickey
1B McGwire
Greenberg
2B Robinson
Gordon
SS Banks
Boudreau
3B Allen
Santo
LF Jackson
Flick
CF Hamilton
Edmonds
RF Ramirez
Heilmann
P Walsh
Rivera
Hubbell
Clarkson
Newhouser(L)
Feller
Halladay
Marichal
Uti Caruthers
Team 2
2B Kent
Biggio
RF Medwick
Crawford
P Ford
Palmer
DH Martinez
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